European politics

[fightinfrenchman]

The fight against climate change is basically hopeless at this point imo. The longer we don't do enough, the bigger changes will be needed and if we're already having a hard time making low-impact changes now, we will definitely not make the high-impact changes that will be needed a few decades from now. GG

Doomerism is cringe tbh

Misplaced optimism is also cringe

Being a non-voter is far more cringe

[Horsemen]

The fight against climate change is basically hopeless at this point imo. The longer we don't do enough, the bigger changes will be needed and if we're already having a hard time making low-impact changes now, we will definitely not make the high-impact changes that will be needed a few decades from now. GG

I think COVID has really shown how we are capable of working together as a planet to tackle common existential threats

Not sure if trolling, but yeah it has. The thing with COVID though is that it was an immediate threat. By the time climate change becomes an immediate threat it will be too late.

It has been particularly inspiring to see major world leaders like Donald Trump and Bolsonaro leading the effort

[n0el]

[scarm]

Personally i am with Goodspeed on this. In normal times institutional inertia seems to make huge reforms essentially impossible to pass, and once the effects of climate change will be enough of an external shock to be a catalyst for change it will be way too late. Can't really see a way out of this deadlock tbh.

[Goodspeed]

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The fight against climate change is basically hopeless at this point imo. The longer we don't do enough, the bigger changes will be needed and if we're already having a hard time making low-impact changes now, we will definitely not make the high-impact changes that will be needed a few decades from now. GG

Doomerism is cringe tbh

Misplaced optimism is also cringe

Being a non-voter is far more cringe

Agree to disagree on that one. My vote wouldn't have made a difference. Neither did yours.

[fightinfrenchman]

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The fight against climate change is basically hopeless at this point imo. The longer we don't do enough, the bigger changes will be needed and if we're already having a hard time making low-impact changes now, we will definitely not make the high-impact changes that will be needed a few decades from now. GG

Doomerism is cringe tbh

Misplaced optimism is also cringe

Being a non-voter is far more cringe

Agree to disagree on that one. My vote wouldn't have made a difference. Neither did yours.

I don't agree to disagree. You're dumb for not voting

[fightinfrenchman]

Personally i am with Goodspeed on this. In normal times institutional inertia seems to make huge reforms essentially impossible to pass, and once the effects of climate change will be enough of an external shock to be a catalyst for change it will be way too late. Can't really see a way out of this deadlock tbh.

If you genuinely believed this you would immediately kill yourself

[Goodspeed]

There's still beauty in the world, with or without climate change. It will just become harder to find.

[princeofcarthage]

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The fight against climate change is basically hopeless at this point imo. The longer we don't do enough, the bigger changes will be needed and if we're already having a hard time making low-impact changes now, we will definitely not make the high-impact changes that will be needed a few decades from now. GG

Doomerism is cringe tbh

Misplaced optimism is also cringe

Being a non-voter is far more cringe

Agree to disagree on that one. My vote wouldn't have made a difference. Neither did yours.

Yeah but if millions thought same like you it makes a difference. It makes enough difference to tip election.

[scarm]

Why would i? I am probably privileged enough to have a decent life despite climate change.

And yeah i genuinely believe that because most theories of political change, organizational theory, sociology, policy change and what not have something in common: that actors are conservative, that change is hard to achieve and often the 'minimum-winning coalition' type of change. And these theories seem to hold true if tested against reality time and time again. There is little reason to believe that that is suddenly going to change in the next 30 years.

edit: not voting sends a message btw., one that is heard by political actors. I personally would still always vote but its not as if not voting suddenly removes you from the political system.

[chris1089]

What is meant by climate change in this discussion?

[Horsemen]

In 5 billion years the earth will no longer exist and nothing we do today can change that

[fightinfrenchman]

What is meant by climate change in this discussion?

Lmao

[Goodspeed]

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The fight against climate change is basically hopeless at this point imo. The longer we don't do enough, the bigger changes will be needed and if we're already having a hard time making low-impact changes now, we will definitely not make the high-impact changes that will be needed a few decades from now. GG

Doomerism is cringe tbh

Misplaced optimism is also cringe

Being a non-voter is far more cringe

Agree to disagree on that one. My vote wouldn't have made a difference. Neither did yours.

Yeah but if millions thought same like you it makes a difference.

They don't

[fightinfrenchman]

ESOC post quality has gone down significantly recently. I blame Callen for leaving

[chris1089]

What is meant by climate change in this discussion?

Lmao

The definition is important.

[fightinfrenchman]

What is meant by climate change in this discussion?

Lmao

The definition is important.

It's when the climate changes

[chris1089]

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What is meant by climate change in this discussion?

Lmao

The definition is important.

It's when the climate changes

You see that's too broad, because that may not be bad. Again, the definition matters. Also what may be bad for one country may be good for another.

[scarm]

Human induced global warming that will lead to the average temperature on the earth rising by effects such as the greenhouse effect (but not limited to that), ultimately leading to natural disasters, melting of the poles, sea levels rising, animals and plants dying, huge streams of refugees from affected areas and the ensuing political disaster that is likely going to happen. That's essentially what i am referring to under the label 'climate change'

I also don't think it makes sense to create different discussions and definitions for different countries, considering this is a natural phenomenon affecting the entire globe not a social one that might differ on account of human difference.

[fightinfrenchman]

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What is meant by climate change in this discussion?

Lmao

The definition is important.

It's when the climate changes

You see that's too broad, because that may not be bad. Again, the definition matters. Also what may be bad for one country may be good for another.

Yeah I wasn't trying to seriously engage with you, because of all the dumb posts you make.

[Dolan]

The next ice age will solve it. Then the species will live in a Snowpiercer world.

[fightinfrenchman]

The next ice age will solve it. Then the species will live in a Snowpiercer world.

I feel like that's a movie you really liked because it portrayed eating bugs as some gross thing

[Dolan]

I think eating bugs is gross because it's gross, not because some anti-globalists keep memeing against it.
But I didn't like the movie just because it villified eating bugs, nop.

[fightinfrenchman]

I think eating bugs is gross because it's gross, not because some anti-globalists keep memeing against it.

But in the movie it makes no sense that they're grossed out by it. Like, if you want protein, what do you expect? They can't raise cattle on a fucking train

[Dolan]

It's a movie, it's supposed to depict a dystopian future, so they included some stuff that would shock. They could have tried hydroponics or smth.
Wait, they actually did have quality protein produced in the frontside part of the train, but they weren't for the plebs.