Being a non-voter is far more cringeGoodspeed wrote:Misplaced optimism is also cringefightinfrenchman wrote:Doomerism is cringe tbhGoodspeed wrote:The fight against climate change is basically hopeless at this point imo. The longer we don't do enough, the bigger changes will be needed and if we're already having a hard time making low-impact changes now, we will definitely not make the high-impact changes that will be needed a few decades from now. GG
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It has been particularly inspiring to see major world leaders like Donald Trump and Bolsonaro leading the effortGoodspeed wrote:Not sure if trolling, but yeah it has. The thing with COVID though is that it was an immediate threat. By the time climate change becomes an immediate threat it will be too late.Horsemen wrote:I think COVID has really shown how we are capable of working together as a planet to tackle common existential threatsGoodspeed wrote:The fight against climate change is basically hopeless at this point imo. The longer we don't do enough, the bigger changes will be needed and if we're already having a hard time making low-impact changes now, we will definitely not make the high-impact changes that will be needed a few decades from now. GG
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mad cuz bad
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Personally i am with Goodspeed on this. In normal times institutional inertia seems to make huge reforms essentially impossible to pass, and once the effects of climate change will be enough of an external shock to be a catalyst for change it will be way too late. Can't really see a way out of this deadlock tbh.
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Agree to disagree on that one. My vote wouldn't have made a difference. Neither did yours.fightinfrenchman wrote:Being a non-voter is far more cringeGoodspeed wrote:Misplaced optimism is also cringeShow hidden quotes
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I don't agree to disagree. You're dumb for not votingGoodspeed wrote:Agree to disagree on that one. My vote wouldn't have made a difference. Neither did yours.fightinfrenchman wrote:Being a non-voter is far more cringeShow hidden quotes
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If you genuinely believed this you would immediately kill yourselfscarm wrote:Personally i am with Goodspeed on this. In normal times institutional inertia seems to make huge reforms essentially impossible to pass, and once the effects of climate change will be enough of an external shock to be a catalyst for change it will be way too late. Can't really see a way out of this deadlock tbh.
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There's still beauty in the world, with or without climate change. It will just become harder to find.
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Yeah but if millions thought same like you it makes a difference. It makes enough difference to tip election.Goodspeed wrote:Agree to disagree on that one. My vote wouldn't have made a difference. Neither did yours.fightinfrenchman wrote:Being a non-voter is far more cringeShow hidden quotes
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Why would i? I am probably privileged enough to have a decent life despite climate change.
And yeah i genuinely believe that because most theories of political change, organizational theory, sociology, policy change and what not have something in common: that actors are conservative, that change is hard to achieve and often the 'minimum-winning coalition' type of change. And these theories seem to hold true if tested against reality time and time again. There is little reason to believe that that is suddenly going to change in the next 30 years.
edit: not voting sends a message btw., one that is heard by political actors. I personally would still always vote but its not as if not voting suddenly removes you from the political system.
And yeah i genuinely believe that because most theories of political change, organizational theory, sociology, policy change and what not have something in common: that actors are conservative, that change is hard to achieve and often the 'minimum-winning coalition' type of change. And these theories seem to hold true if tested against reality time and time again. There is little reason to believe that that is suddenly going to change in the next 30 years.
edit: not voting sends a message btw., one that is heard by political actors. I personally would still always vote but its not as if not voting suddenly removes you from the political system.
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What is meant by climate change in this discussion?
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In 5 billion years the earth will no longer exist and nothing we do today can change that
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Lmaochris1089 wrote:What is meant by climate change in this discussion?
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They don'tprinceofcarthage wrote:Yeah but if millions thought same like you it makes a difference.Goodspeed wrote:Agree to disagree on that one. My vote wouldn't have made a difference. Neither did yours.Show hidden quotes
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ESOC post quality has gone down significantly recently. I blame Callen for leaving
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The definition is important.fightinfrenchman wrote:Lmaochris1089 wrote:What is meant by climate change in this discussion?
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It's when the climate changeschris1089 wrote:The definition is important.fightinfrenchman wrote:Lmaochris1089 wrote:What is meant by climate change in this discussion?
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You see that's too broad, because that may not be bad. Again, the definition matters. Also what may be bad for one country may be good for another.fightinfrenchman wrote:It's when the climate changeschris1089 wrote:The definition is important.Show hidden quotes
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Human induced global warming that will lead to the average temperature on the earth rising by effects such as the greenhouse effect (but not limited to that), ultimately leading to natural disasters, melting of the poles, sea levels rising, animals and plants dying, huge streams of refugees from affected areas and the ensuing political disaster that is likely going to happen. That's essentially what i am referring to under the label 'climate change'
I also don't think it makes sense to create different discussions and definitions for different countries, considering this is a natural phenomenon affecting the entire globe not a social one that might differ on account of human difference.
I also don't think it makes sense to create different discussions and definitions for different countries, considering this is a natural phenomenon affecting the entire globe not a social one that might differ on account of human difference.
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Yeah I wasn't trying to seriously engage with you, because of all the dumb posts you make.chris1089 wrote:You see that's too broad, because that may not be bad. Again, the definition matters. Also what may be bad for one country may be good for another.fightinfrenchman wrote:It's when the climate changesShow hidden quotes
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The next ice age will solve it. Then the species will live in a Snowpiercer world.
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I feel like that's a movie you really liked because it portrayed eating bugs as some gross thingDolan wrote:The next ice age will solve it. Then the species will live in a Snowpiercer world.
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I think eating bugs is gross because it's gross, not because some anti-globalists keep memeing against it.
But I didn't like the movie just because it villified eating bugs, nop.
But I didn't like the movie just because it villified eating bugs, nop.
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But in the movie it makes no sense that they're grossed out by it. Like, if you want protein, what do you expect? They can't raise cattle on a fucking trainDolan wrote:I think eating bugs is gross because it's gross, not because some anti-globalists keep memeing against it.
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It's a movie, it's supposed to depict a dystopian future, so they included some stuff that would shock. They could have tried hydroponics or smth.
Wait, they actually did have quality protein produced in the frontside part of the train, but they weren't for the plebs.
Wait, they actually did have quality protein produced in the frontside part of the train, but they weren't for the plebs.
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