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[princeofcarthage]

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Yes but it violated the promise US gave to not expand NATO further.

Can you post the legal document that says such a promise was agreed on and signed by both parties

No. However, spoken contract is legal according to US constitution. If previous administrations made the promise (which I guess is open to debate) (which many people from the said administration say was done) (and which Russia and majority of historians believe so was made) then following administration have responsibility to follow through it.

Then this can't be used as a legal official argument, it's just a political argument. It's like political gossip: "you guys told us you'd never expand NATO, when we were drinking some beers at the hotel, you made that promise at the hotel's bar".
The reply could be: "we were just joking bro".

Except those weren't made when they were drinking beers at the hotel. They were made during official discussions regarding East Germany and stuff.

[Dolan]

If nothing was signed, then nothing is legally binding. Again, it's like a casual remark made in a discussion. What if someone just lies about such a promise. That's why you need to sign papers.

[knusch]

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Yes but it violated the promise US gave to not expand NATO further.

Can you post the legal document that says such a promise was agreed on and signed by both parties

No. However, spoken contract is legal according to US constitution. If previous administrations made the promise (which I guess is open to debate) (which many people from the said administration say was done) (and which Russia and majority of historians believe so was made) then following administration have responsibility to follow through it.

Then this can't be used as a legal official argument, it's just a political argument. It's like political gossip: "you guys told us you'd never expand NATO, when we were drinking some beers at the hotel, you made that promise at the hotel's bar".
The reply could be: "we were just joking bro".

Except those weren't made when they were drinking beers at the hotel. They were made during official discussions regarding East Germany and stuff.

yeah and they agreed that no military instalations will be moved to east germany u dumbfuck....
there was no debate about NATO expanding east. east was the warshaw pact + soviet union holy fukn shit

[princeofcarthage]

Satellite view of the destruction of the antonov plane

[princeofcarthage]

If nothing was signed, then nothing is legally binding. Again, it's like a casual remark made in a discussion. What if someone just lies about such a promise. That's why you need to sign papers.

I do agree with you. But this has been a issue for years. Should have been resolved through some legally binding agreement with Russia. It is not as if Putin just brought this up 2-3 months ago. It has been used more or less for past 20 years.

[Dolan]

Abandoned Russian tank that got stuck in the mud while trying to free other Russian tank that got stuck in the mud

[fightinfrenchman]

I would definitely desert if I were a Russian soldier in that situation. I'd probably abandon my own car if it got stuck in mud tbh

[RefluxSemantic]

Agreement or not, its good that the Baltic states joined NATO. Look at Russia's other neighbours and the shit Russia has given them in the past decades. The entire 'NATO borders' spiel doesnt even apply to most of their belligerent moves, so you have to be really dumb to buy into this half baked justification for the invasion of Ukraine.

[Dolan]

Volnovakha (presumably), 02/03/22, Russian troops in the city

[gibson]

Pretty incredible how POC always manages to have the very worst takes possible. I dont think most people could have takes that bad if they tried.

[Dolan]

Buchansky district, Kiev region: Russian Ka-52

[princeofcarthage]

And yet I have been proven right on every accord gibby

[Dolan]

Ukrainian got hold of a Russian missile

[Dolan]

[Dolan]

Some Russian soldiers that surrendered

[Dolan]

Irpin, a satellite city on the western outskirts of Kiev, has suffered multiple Russian attacks since the beginning of the full-scale offensive.
A bridge that connects the city to Kiev was blown up by the Ukrainian forces to block Russian troops.

[Dolan]

I think what's happening here is that some Ukrainian forces install their base next to a civilian building
and Russian army has no issue striking it with a missile
unless the missile hit the wrong target

[Cometk]

we should do this more often, and that we don’t begs a question

[Dolan]

Train with fuel coming from Belarus hit with Bayraktar drones

[Dolan]

Sealed subway station in Kiev. The Soviets designed them as potential nuclear war shelters

[fightinfrenchman]

Forward thinking

[harcha]

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It's heartbreaking that Ukrainians are suffering because Biden has done everything he possibly could have to start this war.
"We promise that NATO will not expand one inch to the east if you give us Eastern Germany" - Ronald Regan
1999 Bill Clinton oversees admitting Czechia into NATO, putting $billions of missiles on Russia's border
2009 VP Biden oversees admitting Croatia into NATO, putting $billions of missiles on Russia's border
2014 VP Biden oversees the CIA coup of a democratically elected progressive leader and installs former comedian and Chevron puppet Zelenky in office.
2019 The CIA funnels $millions into the Ukraine elections ensuring Zelensky will win by a landslide.
2021 President Biden sends $billions in missiles to Ukraine on the Russian border.

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you keep bringing up some autistic nightmares as if those things are true

Those things are true regardless of what western media says and regardless of what brainwashed western puppets like you choose to believe. The beauty of truth is that it is independent.

Chezh republic and Croatia are nowhere near Russias border.
All this Ukraine conspiracy is just something you tell yourself to fall asleep with no evidence. As usual the opposite is true - there is actual substantiation for claimed Russian meddling in US elections.

What's truly independent here is your brain which is nowhere to be found.

Yes but it violated the promise US gave to not expand NATO further.

Actually no hard evidence has yet been presented to public to prove Russian interference. Reports formulated and some statements from those reports which were made are the only things that ever reached public. So actually everything you read about the interference has come from US government elements with vested interests. There have been no independent investigation and no hard evidence released. Everything you read or heard came from western media. Tell me did you see any actual evidence anytime? Or heard of objective 3rd party investigation claiming the same? I am not saying whether its true or not, it is just something to wonder about. All information came from a single source/party with vested interests.

Keep barking and believing conspiracies, I don't care.

You don't have any evidence? Thought so

" The Special Counsel's report, made public in April 2019, examined numerous contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials but concluded that there was insufficient evidence to bring any conspiracy or coordination charges against Trump or his associates."

Even those reports failed to provide any significant evidence of interference.

That only speaks to "conspiracy or coordination charges against Trump or his associates", while the fact is Russians used troll farms and fake accounts to support Trump. It's not even a discussion.

Meanwhile you keep moving away from your own unsubstantiated conspiracy claims which amount to nothing more than conjecture.

[Vinyanyérë]

It's heartbreaking that Ukrainians are suffering because Biden has done everything he possibly could have to start this war.
"We promise that NATO will not expand one inch to the east if you give us Eastern Germany" - Ronald Regan
1999 Bill Clinton oversees admitting Czechia into NATO, putting $billions of missiles on Russia's border
2009 VP Biden oversees admitting Croatia into NATO, putting $billions of missiles on Russia's border
2014 VP Biden oversees the CIA coup of a democratically elected progressive leader and installs former comedian and Chevron puppet Zelenky in office.
2019 The CIA funnels $millions into the Ukraine elections ensuring Zelensky will win by a landslide.
2021 President Biden sends $billions in missiles to Ukraine on the Russian border.

A good post on youtube

This is not a good post

- Czechia and Croatia don't border Russia. They're not even particularly close to Russia. harcha already mentioned this but it's worth repeating.
- It's unclear what "$billions of missiles" is referring to. There's no U.S. military bases in either of those countries nor any nuclear weapons. Is there a source for any of this?
- It says that in 2014 the CIA does a coup and puts Zelenskyy into office. Or "Zelenky" I guess. But neither Zelenky nor Zelenskyy go into office? Poroshenko becomes the president? And then Poroshenko goes on to lose to Zelenskyy in the 2019 elections? Real 3d chess move by the CIA there installing one puppet and then deciding to give millions of dollars to install his opponent. Also why is "former comedian" a relevant piece of information here lol, is that supposed to be a bad thing?
- There's an extremely obvious Democrat vs. Republican agenda here. It presents Reagan (or "Regan") as saying that there won't be any eastward NATO expansion, then lists a bunch of Democrats doing stuff, then when a Republican is president suddenly the office loses all power and the CIA acts independently, but once a Democrat is back in office it's all about blaming them again. In 2014 Biden personally controls the CIA to stage a coup in Ukraine. In 2019 Trump is president, and we can't say anything bad about Republicans, so the CIA starts acting independently. I guess Republicans are incapable of actual governing?
- In 2004, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia joined NATO, countries which, unlike Czechia and Croatia, are literally on Russia's border. But Republican George Dubya is president at this time so I guess we can't mention that one lol

[Vinyanyérë]

Yes but it violated the promise US gave to not expand NATO further.

Can you post the legal document that says such a promise was agreed on and signed by both parties

No. However, spoken contract is legal according to US constitution. If previous administrations made the promise (which I guess is open to debate) (which many people from the said administration say was done) (and which Russia and majority of historians believe so was made) then following administration have responsibility to follow through it.

Can you point to the clause of the US constitution that says this

[harcha]

POC really reposting anonymous disinfo like my grandma. Definition of a low quality poster.