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It's coming full circle. The Aryans are now Russian sympathisers, after Russia did a Sudetenland invasion in Ukraine, while claiming they are denazifying. "Nazi" has become just a word.
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Russia has been pushing to change the definition of "nazism" at UN for a decade at this point. They've been playing the long game on this "russophobia" narrative, but in the end it's hard to hide your true colors.
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so now basicly anyone who opposes russia invading and annexing his country is a nazi, because why would you do that, why would you shoot at russian troops invading your country, are you some kind of russophobe
the only reason you'd try to stop that would be if you were paid by the west, soros and was a nazi
or had some hidden biolabs somewhere
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"all of the above" option
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let's take some time and celebrate the anniversary of russia taking kiev in 2 days

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Dolan wrote:
23 Feb 2023, 10:10
It's coming full circle. The Aryans are now Russian sympathisers, after Russia did a Sudetenland invasion in Ukraine, while claiming they are denazifying. "Nazi" has become just a word.
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Semantic drift. 80 years ago nazis meant literal national socialists with a cult for Aryan people. Now the meaning has been bastardised into 'Christian extremists who are also racists and hate anything decent' in the USA.
In 50 years, kids will use 'nazi' to mean 'someone who is mean and took my rubber duck 😠'.
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Yeah that is another reason why they shouldn't change the definition of "nazi" as that diminishes the shit that went down 80-90 years ago.
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Dolan wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 10:31
Semantic drift. 80 years ago nazis meant literal national socialists with a cult for Aryan people. Now the meaning has been bastardised into 'Christian extremists who are also racists and hate anything decent' in the USA.
This is not at all how I hear it being used, comparisons to Hitler/Nazis are usually done in reference to Dr. Fauci and Covid restrictions
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 20:57
Dolan wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 10:31
Semantic drift. 80 years ago nazis meant literal national socialists with a cult for Aryan people. Now the meaning has been bastardised into 'Christian extremists who are also racists and hate anything decent' in the USA.
This is not at all how I hear it being used, comparisons to Hitler/Nazis are usually done in reference to Dr. Fauci and Covid restrictions
Yeah, because everyone has lost the plot, they feel the need to use the strong word 'nazi' to paint their enemies in the darkest colours, it doesn't matter if it really fits or it's accurate.
Does it sound emotionally plausible that they are 'bad people forcing stuff on us'? Then they're the <word denoting the utmost evil> people.
Funny how words' meanings drift through misuse. It's like stupidity is involuntarily creative

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Dolan wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 21:13
Yeah, because everyone has lost the plot, they feel the need to use the strong word 'nazi' to paint their enemies in the darkest colours, it doesn't matter if it really fits or it's accurate.
What are some things someone would have to do/believe to make the comparison to Nazi accurate?
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harcha wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 12:26
they shouldn't change the definition of "nazi"
I'll let the Word Definition Deciders know that the competitive debater community doesn't like the latest patch notes
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 21:21
Dolan wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 21:13
Yeah, because everyone has lost the plot, they feel the need to use the strong word 'nazi' to paint their enemies in the darkest colours, it doesn't matter if it really fits or it's accurate.
What are some things someone would have to do/believe to make the comparison to Nazi accurate?
Nazis believed they had an almost biological duty to ensure that the German people fulfill their racial destiny as the highest in the racial hierarchy of people of Indo-European ancestry (Aryans).
Nordic Germanics were considered, according to the nazis, the real master race and other groups, including other Europeans, should have been at best servants or at worst should have been removed to make room for the master race expanding its vital space.
So according to this view, Slavs were considered non-Aryans, a breed of subhumans, Hitler even called them "a rabbit family" to mean they lacked any spirit of organisation.
It's a very specific ideology that is not the same as what you guys call "white supremacism" in the USA, where "whites" are considered any people of European ancestry and it even includes people from North Africa or some from the Middle east.
Nazis considered a lot of Europeans inferior, they didn't think strictly based on skin colour, but also on recent history, achievements, etc.
Had Hitler lived to see how today Poland has been growing economically and getting more organised and more politically assertive than Germany (their diplomacy to support Ukraine is an example) maybe he would have realised that history is like the fortune wheel that keeps turning and moving the winner to another table. You can't just freeze a few frames from the past and think they represent a people's potential in perpetuity. Nations fall asleep too, like Italy.
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Do you think that's what people mean when they say Nazi today?
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Vinyanyérë wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 21:55
harcha wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 12:26
they shouldn't change the definition of "nazi"
I'll let the Word Definition Deciders know that the competitive debater community doesn't like the latest patch notes
I was going to ask who "they" are but I didn't want to hear the answer
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 22:36
Vinyanyérë wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 21:55
harcha wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 12:26
they shouldn't change the definition of "nazi"
I'll let the Word Definition Deciders know that the competitive debater community doesn't like the latest patch notes
I was going to ask who "they" are but I didn't want to hear the answer
The UN as you can clearly see from my prior post.
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23 Feb 2023, 12:48
Russia has been pushing to change the definition of "nazism" at UN for a decade at this point. They've been playing the long game on this "russophobia" narrative, but in the end it's hard to hide your true colors.
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 22:36
Do you think that's what people mean when they say Nazi today?
No, the meaning of nazi has been turned into some cartoonish version of the actual historical thing. People just quickly check some surface resemblance points and declare: yep, it's nazi.

they support solving problems through violence ☑️
they are racists ☑️
they hold radical views and are allied with religious extremists who want to control people's lives ☑️

Yep, they are fascists (or nazi, whatever sounds more ominous).
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Dolan wrote:
26 Feb 2023, 11:53
fightinfrenchman wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 22:36
Do you think that's what people mean when they say Nazi today?
No, the meaning of nazi has been turned into some cartoonish version of the actual historical thing. People just quickly check some surface resemblance points and declare: yep, it's nazi.

they support solving problems through violence ☑️
they are racists ☑️
they hold radical views and are allied with religious extremists who want to control people's lives ☑️

Yep, they are fascists (or nazi, whatever sounds more ominous).
I feel like you're omitting something for some reason
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
27 Feb 2023, 04:13
Dolan wrote:
26 Feb 2023, 11:53
fightinfrenchman wrote:
25 Feb 2023, 22:36
Do you think that's what people mean when they say Nazi today?
No, the meaning of nazi has been turned into some cartoonish version of the actual historical thing. People just quickly check some surface resemblance points and declare: yep, it's nazi.

they support solving problems through violence ☑️
they are racists ☑️
they hold radical views and are allied with religious extremists who want to control people's lives ☑️

Yep, they are fascists (or nazi, whatever sounds more ominous).
I feel like you're omitting something for some reason
The cult for a leader? That's common to many movements
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Dolan wrote:
27 Feb 2023, 14:04
fightinfrenchman wrote:
27 Feb 2023, 04:13
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I feel like you're omitting something for some reason
The cult for a leader? That's common to many movements
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How about top 3?
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Our media said "hundreds of Germans tear down Ukraine flags in front of Russian consulate in Berlin, and put flowers on destroyed Russian tanks to remember Russian soldiers died in Ukraine". What the hell is it? (I know it's a 99% fake news)
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fei123456 wrote:
28 Feb 2023, 15:54
Our media said "hundreds of Germans tear down Ukraine flags in front of Russian consulate in Berlin, and put flowers on destroyed Russian tanks to remember Russian soldiers died in Ukraine". What the hell is it? (I know it's a 99% fake news)
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