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princeofcarthage wrote:Helps in what lol
The more wealthy you are, the more time and money you can invest into unnecessary things like a getting a perfect British accent after already being articulate enough to hold a conversation in English. On the other hand, if you are poor and, e.g., working 3 jobs in parallel to make ends meet, you are unlikely to find the time for it.
I lmao'd but in all seriousness, people from the upper classes have a very different mentality from the rest. I know because one of my work colleagues from a former workplace was a guy whose family had a big estate, his dad was a big shot connected to politicians, and their family was always doing holidays in exotic places that were not your usual Greece, Spain or Italy. And he told me some of the habits that upper class families have.

When these people have a family meet-up, they brag about their personal achievements, like getting a new master's degree or PhD, publishing something, learning a new skill, having visited some unusual and risky place, or just doing well in business ventures. So getting a good British accent would actually impress them, they wouldn't think it's useless, they would think it signals high social status. Just like they would be impressed if you learned Arabic or Chinese, because they would think this opens up some new opportunities for you. They are very focused on personal achievements and they have this mentality that you constantly need to add a new achievement, so that every time you come to a family reunion, you always have something new to tell.
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How is "atrocious accent" a joke.
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I was talking before that. You are twisting the matter, I did not call him "atrocious animal", he did. Atrocious accent was the joke. Of course after being insulted I had to put him in his place. It was a matter of honour.
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Is this a common occurrence in the Netherlands or something?
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Idk, I have the impression that there's a growing backlash against tourists in Europe. It's good, I like it, I hope they eventually ban it or make it very expensive.
Too much city degradation from tourism, especially in Venice and Paris.
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Dolan wrote:Idk, I have the impression that there's a growing backlash against tourists in Europe. It's good, I like it, I hope they eventually ban it or make it very expensive.
Too much city degradation from tourism, especially in Venice and Paris.
Many european countries have tourism as main source of income and are built around tourism. Businesses would shut, people would be jobless in millions if it actually happens.
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Tourists need to get the fuck out of the bike line and we can be friends.
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princeofcarthage wrote:
Dolan wrote:Idk, I have the impression that there's a growing backlash against tourists in Europe. It's good, I like it, I hope they eventually ban it or make it very expensive.
Too much city degradation from tourism, especially in Venice and Paris.
Many european countries have tourism as main source of income and are built around tourism. Businesses would shut, people would be jobless in millions if it actually happens.
They'll have to adapt. Or better, tourism should be done outside cities, in specially arranged places, like sand beaches. The idea is to keep them out of the big cities, because they're pooping up the place. They should be kept in buses that follow a closed circuit. I like how North Korea handles tourism, you can't really go anywhere you want, because it's not your country and if you make a mess of your presence, you should be immediately sent back.
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Mr_Bramboy wrote:Tourists need to get the fuck out of the bike line and we can be friends.
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Mr_Bramboy wrote:Tourists need to get the fuck out of the bike line and we can be friends.
Seeing that many people walking on the bike lane just makes me anxious. We don't want a repeat of '93, never again.
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Mr_Bramboy wrote:
Jam wrote:
Mr_Bramboy wrote:Tourists need to get the fuck out of the bike line and we can be friends.
Seeing that many people walking on the bike lane just makes me anxious. We don't want a repeat of '93, never again.
Amsterdam essentially is one massive bike lane so that's kinda hard
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princeofcarthage wrote:
Dolan wrote:Idk, I have the impression that there's a growing backlash against tourists in Europe. It's good, I like it, I hope they eventually ban it or make it very expensive.
Too much city degradation from tourism, especially in Venice and Paris.
Many european countries have tourism as main source of income and are built around tourism. Businesses would shut, people would be jobless in millions if it actually happens.
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Dolan wrote:Idk, I have the impression that there's a growing backlash against tourists in Europe. It's good, I like it, I hope they eventually ban it or make it very expensive.
Too much city degradation from tourism, especially in Venice and Paris.
Many european countries have tourism as main source of income and are built around tourism. Businesses would shut, people would be jobless in millions if it actually happens.
Name 5 please
Well you could pick any European country and they have 2-10% of gdp around tourism
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Please back up your claim about "as main source of income and are built around tourism" if possible, of course.
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Snuden wrote:Please back up your claim about "as main source of income and are built around tourism" if possible, of course.
Although I hate to support carthage and his laziness in never providing a source, I will. He seems to be decently on the money in this regard.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/122 ... y-country/
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"In 2018, the ‘travel and tourism’ sector directly contributed 3.9% to EU GDP and accounted for 5.1% of the total labour force (which equates to some 11.9 million jobs)".

Source: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factshee ... 6/tourism/

Meaning it's significant but not really the main source of revenue for any EU country.
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Huh that source I posted earlier must only give you one free look at the site. It had showed though a few countries had tourism and travel geared to up to about 20% of its total GDP, like Croatia and Greece and many more in the 8-15% range. I'll see if I can find a better source.

Edit: Just cleared my cookies. Croatia = 24%, Greece = 20%, Portugal = 17%, Malta = 16%. Ireland is apparently the smallest with 4.2%.
So clearly there is some serious difference in how they are working out these numbers.
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I mean its lot more complicated than simply looking up how much tourism contributes to gdp. Tourism is indirectly responsible for growths and job creation in other sectors of economy such as hospitality, transport, infrastructure, insurance, banking, service, agriculture to some extent. Practically every industry can be linked to tourism in some way. Granted some industries will have higher impact than others. But it is still livelihood for millions. If tourism dropped to zero it can have ripple effects across sectors which is clearly visible. Cities infrastructure sometimes is built taking tourism into consideration. Or large events like world cup, olympics. Not in Europe but take example of Dubai or Kuwait.
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All those things were taken into account when that figure was compiled. How else would revenue from tourism even get generated if a hotel or transportation company didn't get paid by tourists?
That's hospitality, transportation, etc.

Not sure you realise Europe has a huge array of industries and services and tourism is just a little fraction from the services sector. Europe is not just a nice little museum, like you're led to believe from the typical media presentations which show some Roman and Greek ancient ruins and some postcard views from Paris. It's the home of some of the biggest carmakers, chemical producers, foodstuffs producers, high-tech home and specialised products, medicines, machinery, aerospace equipment, software, electronics and so on.
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When I was in singapore I used their MRTs from transportation and local taxis. How do you take into account that income? Transport industry partially is a sector within tourism but not entirely. Its impossible to calculate these hidden revenues and livelihoods it make. Airplane consists number of passengers. How do you classify which passenger is tourist or not? It also depends on how tourism is defined. Some like to include while others exclude business travel. The spiral down effect of revenue is real and very hard to calculate or estimate. But if it drops its effects can be felt across economy. Also stop assuming everyone else is dumb and you are the only smartass on the planet. Of course everyone is aware that Europe has huge array of industries but they are also somehow connected to tourism and its effects felt. Take auto industry for example. If tourism drops it ultimately means companies don't need cars, city needs fewer buses, fewer trains, fewer airplanes, fewer taxis or lesser revenues per taxi, which ultimately lesser manufacturing of cars, trains, buses, airplanes which means fewer revenue and fewer jobs, which means fewer insurances, which again results in fewer jobs and so on and so on.
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@princeofcarthage
Do you know how the government is even able to get an idea on how economic activity evolves and to forecast the GDP for the next year?
They do statistical surveys, they send actual people in the field with a pen and paper (or interview them online etc) and get them to talk to actual people producing goods and services.
They create a representative sample, just like you do with opinion polls, and they go to that company and ask them nicely to help them complete that questionnaire.
So that's how they find out how many customers they had, how many of them were foreigners, how many locals, how many stayed for the night, how many ate there, how many visited the local touristic attractions and so on.
Then they aggregate all the data and start sifting the data through various filters, to get as much useful information as possible.
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Tourism was dead for a year and yet neither Greece nor Croatia collapsed.
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Dolan wrote:"In 2018, the ‘travel and tourism’ sector directly contributed 3.9% to EU GDP and accounted for 5.1% of the total labour force (which equates to some 11.9 million jobs)".

Source: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factshee ... 6/tourism/

Meaning it's significant but not really the main source of revenue for any EU country.
And that was my point... Significant, but not the main source.
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duckzilla wrote:Tourism was dead for a year and yet neither Greece nor Croatia collapsed.
Well yeah but to be fair some regions and places in those countries are more dependent on tourism than others. I'd imagine there are some towns and cities that are quite desolate right now, and some (significant amounts) of people there are quite desperate. Thankfully tourism seems to be gearing up again.

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