Ukraine Invaded By Russia

[fei123456]

Kyiv is where the whole Rus civilization begins.

[knusch]

Kyiv is where the whole Rus civilization begins.

Might also be where the Russian Federation ends

[RefluxSemantic]

It's a fake war.

Are you still in Moscow?

[princeofcarthage]

Russia probably going to carpet bomb one of the city tonight

[duckzilla]

Kyiv is where the whole Rus civilization begins.

And Rome is where Romance civilization begin. Why isn't it French, Spanish or Romanian?

[fei123456]

Kyiv is where the whole Rus civilization begins.

And Rome is where Romance civilization begin. Why isn't it French, Spanish or Romanian?

I mean the Russians are unlikely to bombard this city. If they did so, there's no necessary for Russia to exist then.

[scarm]

I am slightly scared that Putin could lose his patience and order his troops to raze Kiev to the ground.

I can understand why you think that piece of propaganda is believable. But it is not.

Russia probably going to carpet bomb one of the city tonight

I rest my case

[scarm]

Also at this point i am legitimately scared af as i found out thermobaric weapons exist and they are apparently on their way to Kiev

Eat shit Putin

[princeofcarthage]

I am slightly scared that Putin could lose his patience and order his troops to raze Kiev to the ground.

I can understand why you think that piece of propaganda is believable. But it is not.

Russia probably going to carpet bomb one of the city tonight

I rest my case

Both statements have been made under different circumstances though. You made it on fake news.

[scarm]

https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsion ... ebi-armiyi
thought i'd share this. If someone was searching for an opportunity to donate. This is specifically for the army though, so if you'd prefer humanitarian aid this prob. isn't the greatest.

[occamslightsaber]

Earlier last month before the invasion, I read this article about U.S. service members’ and veterans’ reactions to Russian military training montages. They noted that the Russian troops didn’t seem to know what they were doing while simulating urban warfare. Little did we know that the videos were foreshadowing how badly the Russians would bungle the invasion. One expert commented that even the Spetsnaz are “acting like idiots.”

[occamslightsaber]

https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsion ... ebi-armiyi
thought i'd share this. If someone was searching for an opportunity to donate. This is specifically for the army though, so if you'd prefer humanitarian aid this prob. isn't the greatest.

I donated to the International Committee of the Red Cross instead because I am not a fan of donating directly to foreign governments and I also donate blood regularly to the American Red Cross. Trying to get my employer to match my donation as we have a company match program for certain non-profit, humanitarian relief organizations.

[fightinfrenchman]

Definitely strikes me as "too good to be true" news, and yet I'm actively sharing it anyway because I'm bored

[princeofkabul]

Russia commiting war crimes, what's new. They on purpose hit civilian targets, just like in Syria.

[scarm]

War is so deeply horrifying.

[harcha]

shows unavailable

[scarm]

Got deleted and reposted as author is unsure if its really thermobaric.

[iNcog]

Russia is probably screwed.





I enjoyed these videos, not 100% on how accurate they are but I feel like they're reasonable thoughts and worth sharing here.

[scarm]

[Horsemen]

He's just building up his army tradition so he can purchase a three-star general.

[scarm]

As many citizens (e.g. also in the US according to the survey i posted in that thread) are demanding the establishment of a no-fly-zone in Ukraine/Kiev, i wanna briefly summarize some of the arguments made by military specialists on why that is an absolutely terrible idea:

1) a no fly zone means open war. To establish a no fly zone means to first destroy all Russian anti-air systems in the area, station your own ones, and shoot any aircraft entering the zone.

2) material. Establishing such a zone requires a wide range of different anti-air-systems, from stinger to patriot, but also fighter jets, their fuel, their ammunition. Personell needs to be trained to use it, so letting Ukrainians do this isn't feasible, and even for us it would be a major logistical challenge, we'd need to prepare fighter using polish airfields or airfields in western Ukraine. You'd also need regular troops to defend your anti-air from saboteurs and raids.

3) it likely wouldn't do much to begin with. Russian aircraft is weirdly missing in action so far and they somehow haven't managed to fully suppress Ukrainian airforce, in particular the Bayraktar drones on day 10 of the war, when that should have been and probably was one of their premier objectives in the first days of the war. The shelling of Kharkiv, Kiev and Mariupol is mainly happening through artillery (as the Russian army is an artillery army first and foremost), and armour.

In short, many civilians seem to think a no fly zone is not a military act, but that we just declare a zone to be banned and maaaybe send a few jets there. The reality is that it is a full-blown military operation, that would be risky, difficult to do, and for which there are little operational needs.

DISCLAIMER: once again just reproducing. I myself have only the very faintest idea of how modern warfare works. But all this seems very logical to me.

[Dolan]

No-fly zone means NATO becomes a party to this war, simple as. And that means WW3.
In Lybia they didn't really control anything on the ground, afaik, unless we count some rebels that were also interested in toppling Gaddafi.

[Dolan]

Also, no-fly zone would need unanimous vote in the UNSC, where it would get noped by Russia and China.

[scarm]

No-fly zone means NATO becomes a party to this war, simple as. And that means WW3.
In Lybia they didn't really control anything on the ground, afaik, unless we count some rebels that were also interested in toppling Gaddafi.

Lybia isn't comparable to the situation at hand at all though from a military standpoint apparently. Idk why NATO establishing a no fly zone would require a UN vote though.

[Dolan]

Idk why NATO establishing a no fly zone would require a UN vote though.

Practically no, though there is some precedent to try and get UN backing as a way to have legal cover, for any future arguments. Otherwise if you do it unilaterally you risk giving arguments to countries like Russia and China to launch a war of aggression by using no-fly zones. It's a situation that shows how precarious the whole "international law" fundament is, it's basically a nice way of calling those situations when Realpolitik interests converge enough to find common ground and call that "law"