Asian politics

[duckzilla]

Keep in mind that you discuss this matter with someone from a country with strict caste systems.

A society that allows for a 5% chance to succeed with an individual endeavour, e.g. social ascendancy, is obviously better for an individual than a society that rules out this opportunity. The idea of "not wasting resources" is brilliant when you want to cement the current social order for eternity (or at least until the mandate of heaven is lost the next time), but it kills off the most important drivers for innovation. Of course, I can see the value of societal stability. In the short and mid run, societal stability has tremendous benefits. However, in the long run, a society with less stability but an openness for creative destruction has huge competitive advantages. If there is one constant that accompanies humanity from its humble beginnings until today, then it is change itself. A society can try to ignore the implications of change (internal, external, technological, ecological, societal, etc.) for some time, but it just means that disruption is going to become even more brutal when the moment of adjustment finally arrives. China is a splendid example for multiple disruptions that left its society traumatized for decades.

[princeofcarthage]

A controlled change is still better than uncontrolled. That helps you filter out the unwanted side effects. I am not against change but every change is not a good one. Some degree of control doesn't necessarily mean creative restrictions. There are many firsts in China. Creative ones. Europe and US have for long depended on factors out of their control and have used military supremacy to maintain their technological stranglehold. It is not that their openness have led to creative (technological) disruptions. Countries like Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan have far greater degree of control over society and economy and they have surpassed. China is trying to emulate that but with an even higher degree of control over society. Change doesn't have to bring societal disruptions, just the way society functions. China faced fundamental disruptions which couldn't be controlled which is exactly the goal of the current government. To bring change but in a controlled way.

[Dolan]

Effects of commodity prices surging globally, so basically effects of the war in Ukraine

[princeofcarthage]

Effects of commodity prices surging globally, so basically effects of the war in Ukraine

This is not the effect of prices commodity prices surging globally. I mean sure it played some part but sri lanka was already on the path to bankruptcy and disaster. You can say that price surge was the final nail which triggered civilians.

[Dolan]

Yeh, it was that extra nudge that pushed them over the edge. But there are lots of countries in such a situation, I don't have time to follow much, I just casually saw vids from South America, Southeast Asia, Italy on Twitter. Lots of protests right now.
Italy seems like a powder keg on the verge. A deluxe one compared to Sri Lanka, but explosive nevertheless.
If things explode in Italy really badly, it's possible it might set a dynamic into motion that leads them to Italexit. Even if it'd be a little suicidal of them to do that since it would be a medicine worse than the illness, when the crowds get angry, they just want to break something up.
They see something sticking up there, some institution, some politician, some flag, they want to tear it apart.
Just like Brexit voters did in the UK. The crowds don't think very far, but the good news is that they can express this through vote. It's therapeutic and it really shows those corrupt politicians who's the boss, who's the ultimate leader. Crowdthink.

[harcha]

exitalia

[Cometk]

[Cometk]

it was actually an onion article about al-qaeda but similar sentiment

[Goodspeed]

"Country's decline liked by main global competitor" how is that news

[Cometk]

"Country's decline liked by main global competitor" how is that news

there is a vast political and media apparatus in america built around scaremongering other global powers and ascribing to them to ills of this country, part of the institution of maintaining american hegemony and manufacturing consent for white supremacy and its casus belli, when the reality is china doesn't do or need to do anything for this derelict country to implode on itself

[fei123456]

A controlled change is still better than uncontroll...

The fast development is not the result of control and judgement, but rather the relative freedom in the past 10-20 years. Now the golden age has come to an end.

[fei123456]

Rumors become reality. Every word we typed on Chinese websites, every comment and topic, will be censored BEFORE published, and "social credits" are ready to deal with those who're defined as saboteurs.

It's no doubt that after a few years, they don't even need those censorships: they just create comments and topics by AI, replace it with your account and avatar, and it becomes your words. George Owell's imagination is naive compared to this.

[princeofcarthage]

A controlled change is still better than uncontroll...

The fast development is not the result of control and judgement, but rather the relative freedom in the past 10-20 years. Now the golden age has come to an end.

One would say the amount of freedom to be given and the amount of control to be maintained requires very precise judgment. The fact is that Chinese government realized the need for change and implemented it inherently in contrast to western nations which are resilient to change. The notion is that freedom has gone to far. Example of it being Jack Ma's direct criticism to the government policies. Peng Shuai's public accusations. Government is just trying to reign in these excessive freedoms which are sowing the seeds of public dissent and instability and not trying to stop the development or growth.

[fei123456]

Though you always stand with our government, you account would already been banned permanently in China, as you mentioned some name that can't be mentioned. The banning of your account is also for "order".

[princeofcarthage]

Though you always stand with our government, you account would already been banned permanently in China, as you mentioned some name that can't be mentioned. The banning of your account is also for "order".

Pretty bad take. Obviously if I was in China I wouldn't have taken the said name. Also I don't believe private conversations between individuals or small groups are censored to that extent. Or like if you discuss at home. Government only steps in when deliberate actions for social unrest are taken.

[duckzilla]

And then stuff like this happens. But it's just a small sacrifice for the sake of holy stability.

[harcha]

There is no doubt prince actually knows better about what is best for china than some chinese person.

[princeofcarthage]

And then stuff like this happens. But it's just a small sacrifice for the sake of holy stability.

Bang on. Look there are bad apples in every basket. Everyone likes to point to US for failure of democracy. But Europe isn't in much better shape either. Major countries like UK, France Germany are also on slow societal decline. Smaller countries are on much much slower track. Only a few by all measures are truly developing. Societal disruptions and instability cause similar power struggle in democracies. Such as you can currently see in US. That puts country in decades of stagnation and backward trend before a major event reverses the trend , which can either be peaceful or violent. Example is the Modi wave in India which brought India out of stagnation. I agree any government should put its people first, and that's what China does, even if some of the policies maybe percieved wrong.

[princeofcarthage]

There is no doubt prince actually knows better about what is best for china than some chinese person.

Objective and neutral third parties are likely to have a more accurate picture rather than invested parties. He thinks he has been subject to restrictions which he doesn't see in other parts of the world. He thinks those restrictions are unfair. Naturally he deviates to the other end of the spectrum. We have seen this before with equality, woman empowerment, and me too where we flipped to the other extreme instead of the desired middle ground or equal ground or justice.

[princeofcarthage]

This is like the classic example of a child crying parents bad. Kid goes to school, thinks that other children are allowed to do many more things and he/she has restrictions, comes home and calls parents bad. Similarly, fei thinks that he can't do stuff duckzilla or harcha can and blames his government for that, and calls them bad. However we all know there is a much deeper story and morale to this than what meets the eye. He is very likely influenced by western propaganda and is unlikely to know or infer what is actually good for his country other than jumping the ship to extreme end on the opposite side of the spectrum.

[Cometk]

better embed of image

[harcha]

Objective and neutral third parties are likely to have a more accurate picture rather than invested parties.

heh you said the thing

[princeofcarthage]

Objective and neutral third parties are likely to have a more accurate picture rather than invested parties.

heh you said the thing

Cuz this is true. Just like how Israelis don't see that they live on lands stolen from Arabs, homes they kicked Arab families out of. Because they are invested in it. If you steal from a thief he would still be mad at you that you stole from him even though he stole in first place. Just like you who is invested in being a latvian that you don't realize it is just some whipped up term about a century ago with history no older than the oldest person currently. That how you stole lands and stuff from Russia. Or how Ukraine and west is the bad guy. Two simple words. Invested party.

[Dolan]

[princeofcarthage]

Japan's former prime minister Shinzo Abe shot, showing no vital signs


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