Open season on CEOs (question)

[Dolan]

[Dolan]

[gibson]

Killing people = bad

[iNcog]

Killing people = bad

I know, that CEO denied so many people health care with an AI at 90% failure rate! He killed so many? Why would he do such a thing?

[gibson]

Allegedly. 2 minutes on Google and you would have realized the source for that claim is a lawsuit.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/united ... e-denials/
Being in a lawsuit doesn't make it true.

Irregardless I think anyone with basic critical thinking skills can understand why killing someone vigilante style is bad.

[Goodspeed]

Irregardless

Why does this word exist

[gibson]

Hm, I'd never really thought about irregardless and regardless meaning basically the same thing.

[Dolan]

[iNcog]

I think anyone with basic critical thinking skills can understand why killing someone vigilante style is bad.

not all US citizens have the privilege of killing people legally though (e.g. US cops or whichever fucks get off on denying people life saving treatments). cynically, the vigilantes have a smaller body count

the system offers absolutely no legal recourse whatsoever to the folks getting killed by the system. this outcome, though "bad", is hardly surprising. then again it isn't like americans are very good at history

[iNcog]

to be clear, violence shouldn't be encouraged. and I'm not condoning it. though lol anyone with basic critical thinking skills can understand the motivations of the attacker here.

[Dolan]

https://www.facebook.com/unitedhealthgroup/posts/pfbid0LyD5u4ry2JsrAerCb35PmbLCPkGsKCixYXBRgJfW65FMDg6Msbp7WCyYEDqwpSiVl

[Dolan]

https://x.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1864741196259823643

the "anti-elite" asking the plebs to defend the elite

[RefluxSemantic]

Allegedly. 2 minutes on Google and you would have realized the source for that claim is a lawsuit.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/united ... e-denials/
Being in a lawsuit doesn't make it true.

Irregardless I think anyone with basic critical thinking skills can understand why killing someone vigilante style is bad.

Would killing hitler vigilante style have been bad?

[Goodspeed]

Are you killing him before or after he started mass murdering?

[Dolan]

[Goodspeed]

Can we do Musk next?

[RefluxSemantic]

Are you killing him before or after he started mass murdering?

I'd say, look at it in a bigger picture sense. Knowing what we know now (and ignoring crazy alt history stuff), I think most people would agree that killing Hitler would have been morally just.

Which means that there is a degree of evilness where society believes murder is justified. It seems like some people believe this CEO was evil beyond the cutoff point, justifying his murder.

[Goodspeed]

Are you killing him before or after he started mass murdering?

I'd say, look at it in a bigger picture sense. Knowing what we know now (and ignoring crazy alt history stuff), I think most people would agree that killing Hitler would have been morally just.

For me it actually depends on when you do it. If you kill him as a baby that's morally wrong even if you know he eventually turns out to be a mass murderer.

Imagine a society where we can know at birth who turns out to be a criminal. Would it be morally just to lock up the eventual criminals before they do any harm? I think it would be practically the right thing to do for society as a whole, but it's still a moral injustice towards them.

[harcha]

True. At the same time when people get into power and cause mass murder or other major harm to society in a systematic way it is somewhat ambiguous at which point specifically they became responsible.

[Goodspeed]

Imo they become responsible when they actually do the wrong thing. Holding people responsible in the present for their future actions is problematic

[Dolan]

[iNcog]

Imo they become responsible when they actually do the wrong thing. Holding people responsible in the present for their future actions is problematic

there was plenty of justification of killing hitler prior to him doing genocide, I think. he took years to ramp up

[iNcog]

https://x.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1864741196259823643

the "anti-elite" asking the plebs to defend the elite

when will americans realize they're just dirt underneath the shoes of the wealthy

[Goodspeed]

Imo they become responsible when they actually do the wrong thing. Holding people responsible in the present for their future actions is problematic

there was plenty of justification of killing hitler prior to him doing genocide, I think. he took years to ramp up

What was he doing in those years that justifies killing him? That bar should be pretty high.

[harcha]

Imo they become responsible when they actually do the wrong thing. Holding people responsible in the present for their future actions is problematic

What would in this case be the wrong thing? He was literally hired to bring profits for the corporation. Should he be held responsible the moment he accepts the CEO position?
It's easy for them to just not look into the negative consequences of their "increasing value/profits" activities. It's easy to work in a corporation and just not look into these things