England maybe leave EU june 23.

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Imagine openly telling someone in a survey that you want to beat children lol
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scarm wrote:This isn't a fucking real survey right? It's a prank by some british comedian right? Or are they leaving the most popular things out?
If I understand it correctly, it is a real survey and they show those results that tend to differ highly between Brexiters and Remainers.
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fightinfrenchman wrote:Imagine openly telling someone in a survey that you want to beat children lol
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Why not

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It's been done before.
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It's not really about constructing a tunnel. But the idea of building an "underground roundabout" below the Isle of Man is just childishly naive. Additionally, one might want to question whether an infrastructure project of this size, four (!) tunnels in total, is adequate for connecting NI/SCO/ENG, given that travel routes between these four points might not very busy. The Euro Tunnel at least connects the 60m British citizens of WAL/ENG/SCO to the EU, an entity with >400m inhabitants. This new project would connect the same 60m with the 6.5m inhabitants of Ireland.

However, the idea certainly fits to the new style of British politics characterized by a populist necessity to show off national grandeur. Unnecessary large-scale infrastructure projects are a classic in this regard.
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@duckzilla
The idea of connecting the British isles through a bridge or tunnel is more than a century old
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_ ... onnections

It's been revived every once in a while, when something happened, like Brexit, for different political reasons.
When he was foreign secretary, Boris proposed a bridge, he thought this would boost trade between all the islands.
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Also looking at the map, it seems like the Liverpool - Isle of man tunnel would easily be 100 km long on its own?
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A bridge to Ireland would be pointless, (Northern) Ireland is poor af
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The Unionists from Northern Ireland would support a project that would strengthen the links with the UK.
Even the Faroe Islands built a system of tunnels between them and they're a much smaller economy than the UK.

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They innaugurated the world's first underwater roundabout in December.
Apparently, the reason why these islands build undersea tunnels is because the ferry service between islands is crowded, slow and costs too much.
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Hmm.... The Faroer tunnel project comprises 11km of undersea tunnels and cost roughly a billion DKK (= €130m), which looks comparably cheap with €12m per kilometer. To make up for the cost, a toll of ~€10 was introduced. Now the tunnel system BoJo proposed would consist of >600km, implying costs of €7.2bn. However, the planned route is a lot more difficult, given that the lowest point between the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland is below 200m. That should drive up costs substantially.
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The choice of having Isle of Man at the centre of such a project is not random. IoM is a tax haven, there is no capital gains tax, no inheritance tax, no corporation tax, no stamp duty, and income tax comes in very low: the top rate is 20%.

Also, if that graph shows the exact location of tunnels, traffic between Scotland and Ireland/NI would be forced to go through IoM.

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Which might be done on purpose, to frustrate Scotland's effort to become independent, by linking the prospect of increased trade with Ireland to a British customs filter. They could also use the excuse that they can't build a direct tunnel between Scotland and NI because it would have to go through Beaufort's Dyke, which is an underwater trench where tens of tons of WW2 munition was dumped. If that deposit explodes, the tunnel would be blown away. So, they might argue it needs to go around it, then connecting with IoM would make sense.

Whoever was laughing on Twitter at this project didn't understand the implications. It's a project that is billed to "strengthen the union", but I bet Tory funders who have corporations registered in the Isle of Man would be happy to see such a project done too.
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A bridge between NI and Scotland is much more likely, but still not going to happen.
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Dolan wrote:The choice of having Isle of Man at the centre of such a project is not random. IoM is a tax haven, there is no capital gains tax, no inheritance tax, no corporation tax, no stamp duty, and income tax comes in very low: the top rate is 20%.

Also, if that graph shows the exact location of tunnels, traffic between Scotland and Ireland/NI would be forced to go through IoM.

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Which might be done on purpose, to frustrate Scotland's effort to become independent, by linking the prospect of increased trade with Ireland to a British customs filter. They could also use the excuse that they can't build a direct tunnel between Scotland and NI because it would have to go through Beaufort's Dyke, which is an underwater trench where tens of tons of WW2 munition was dumped. If that deposit explodes, the tunnel would be blown away. So, they might argue it needs to go around it, then connecting with IoM would make sense.

Whoever was laughing on Twitter at this project didn't understand the implications. It's a project that is billed to "strengthen the union", but I bet Tory funders who have corporations registered in the Isle of Man would be happy to see such a project done too.
Here's to hoping that the Isle of Man annexes the UK and turns the whole country into a tax haven
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Horsemen wrote:Here's to hoping that the Isle of Man annexes the UK and turns the whole country into a tax haven
Did that once in Europa Universalis. Was fun.
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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... eu-222046/
The Isle of Man has moved to jettison itself from the UK’s disastrous fisheries deal by striking new terms with the EU as a British Crown Dependency.

Individual discussions with Brussels has opened up avenues to allow EU vessels to fish in their waters as well as exempt exports of shellfish from the current ban on so-called bivalve molluscs which has left the Cornish fishing industry in tatters.
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It's over for the UK. Only went so far
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Like every empire its the end of UK. Unlike most empires, UK dug its own grave.
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princeofcarthage wrote:Like every empire its the end of UK. Unlike most empires, UK dug its own grave.
Don't most empires dig their own grave?
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chris1089 wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:Like every empire its the end of UK. Unlike most empires, UK dug its own grave.
Don't most empires dig their own grave?
Not really. I mean in a way you could argue yes, but this is literal example of how to dig your own grave.
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Just kiddin, I think they'll be mostly fine
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They wont. It stands to reason that EU would want to punish UK as much as possible to dissuade other countries from leaving to further integrate the union. UK will likely remain a rich country for some time though, if it doesn't shrink in relative terms it won't grow either.
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princeofcarthage wrote:
chris1089 wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:Like every empire its the end of UK. Unlike most empires, UK dug its own grave.
Don't most empires dig their own grave?
Not really. I mean in a way you could argue yes, but this is literal example of how to dig your own grave.
Can you explain how the UK has literally dug its own grave?
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