Riotcoke wrote:free market with restrictions on monopolies
and this:
Riotcoke wrote:corrupt
can still go hand in hand. A society is more than just its economy. And "restrictions on monopolies" are still up to politics to decide on.
The UK has lots of problems of both societal and economical nature. However, it is still a nice country in comparison to most on the planet. But I think the discussion here is not of much value if we only count a country's attractiveness relative the global average, since there would simply be very few to discuss: the UK will beat the global average for at least the next 50 years. Rather, the topic should be on how it can change for the better, which things can lead to a negative tendency/decline, and maybe how it can become more equal, better integrated in itself (city of London vs. the rest), more social, more successful in a broader term.
It may be difficult to see positive things in the UK from a norwegian perspective, since it is spoiled by oil wealth. Having lots of money makes many questions around wealth allocation, equality, etc. very easy.
Whatever is written above: this is no financial advice.
Riotcoke wrote:free market with restrictions on monopolies
and this:
Riotcoke wrote:corrupt
can still go hand in hand. A society is more than just its economy. And "restrictions on monopolies" are still up to politics to decide on.
The UK has lots of problems of both societal and economical nature. However, it is still a nice country in comparison to most on the planet. But I think the discussion here is not of much value if we only count a country's attractiveness relative the global average, since there would simply be very few to discuss: the UK will beat the global average for at least the next 50 years. Rather, the topic should be on how it can change for the better, which things can lead to a negative tendency/decline, and maybe how it can become more equal, better integrated in itself (city of London vs. the rest), more social, more successful in a broader term.
It may be difficult to see positive things in the UK from a norwegian perspective, since it is spoiled by oil wealth. Having lots of money makes many questions around wealth allocation, equality, etc. very easy.
The authority that controls market monopolies in the UK is the Competition and Markets Authority, which is specifically non governmental to reduce the level of corruption that can occur, of course it's still possible. I agree with your point on the perspective that a norwegian has is misleading, seeing as it's a small population spoiled by a wealth of natural resources that, with any government, would likely be prosperous. On the other hand the centralisation of the British economy in London and the South east is another topic in itself, i honestly don't think it's possible to create a shift to a more balanced geographic economy due to the infrastructure and culture that is in place in the south, I.e the elite schools and universities are in the south.
iwillspankyou wrote:how corrupt can the UK be after Brexit? That is the question now. They have the most corrupt system in the world, as of now, when it comes to whitewashing the world dirty money. But can they do even more for the corrupt Big Corps, that is what's on the line now? Its a long wait for the next general election and the Torres are not taking another chance on it, after the disaster last time. Meaning Uk ppl are pretty much fucked, and getting a deal that is not what they voted for, at all.
How does the UK have the most corrupt system in the world? Is having a free market with restrictions on monopolies being corrupt?
Well, it could b I took my argument a little too far because there are so many corrupt countries in the world. What I was thinking off, is how the UK has laid the foundation for corruption, with no checks and balances on making "a company, and how the big Finance/banking industry is gladly helping these businesses, whitewash money from corrupt politicians and criminals. I read this article in the Guardian last week, but I cannot find it now. But I guess there are lots of sources for this monkey business. The article laid it out, that there is no reason to put your money in shady tax havens when you can just funnel it to the UK, with as many fake companies you could ever want. Nobody will ever check if you are a "real person".
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True, but there is a marked change in tone. When he was foreign office minister, Johnson was emphasising the importance of keeping the deal with Iran, of working with "European partners" on this account, etc etc. Now, he seems to have adopted the USA's tough stance on Iran, while also expressing much concern for Israel's interests. It seems that the closer he gets to the Number 10 position, the more he behaves like the USA's poodle.
When all this Brexit campaign was started, there was a lot of talk about "regaining our sovereignty", "going it alone", "boldy forging our own fate outside the EUSSR" and so on and so forth. But day by day, Johnson's Brexiteer camp seems more willing to become the USA's colony in terms of foreign policy and trade policy. Which makes sense, from a certain point of view: you leave a big geopolitical bloc and once you find yourself isolated, you try to join another global force that you think will strengthen your newly weakened global position. But this will come at a cost. The USA never really gives a free lunch to any ally. They will ask the UK to open their markets wider than one Instagram thot's thigh gap.
Dolan wrote:True, but there is a marked change in tone. When he was foreign office minister, Johnson was emphasising the importance of keeping the deal with Iran, of working with "European partners" on this account, etc etc. Now, he seems to have adopted the USA's tough stance on Iran, while also expressing much concern for Israel's interests. It seems that the closer he gets to the Number 10 position, the more he behaves like the USA's poodle.
When all this Brexit campaign was started, there was a lot of talk about "regaining our sovereignty", "going it alone", "boldy forging our own fate outside the EUSSR" and so on and so forth. But day by day, Johnson's Brexiteer camp seems more willing to become the USA's colony in terms of foreign policy and trade policy. Which makes sense, from a certain point of view: you leave a big geopolitical bloc and once you find yourself isolated, you try to join another global force that you think will strengthen your newly weakened global position. But this will come at a cost. The USA never really gives a free lunch to any ally. They will ask the UK to open their markets wider than one Instagram thot's thigh gap.
The best outcome of Brexit would be an Anglo-Saxon free trade zone comprising the USA, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand
Dolan wrote:True, but there is a marked change in tone. When he was foreign office minister, Johnson was emphasising the importance of keeping the deal with Iran, of working with "European partners" on this account, etc etc. Now, he seems to have adopted the USA's tough stance on Iran, while also expressing much concern for Israel's interests. It seems that the closer he gets to the Number 10 position, the more he behaves like the USA's poodle.
When all this Brexit campaign was started, there was a lot of talk about "regaining our sovereignty", "going it alone", "boldy forging our own fate outside the EUSSR" and so on and so forth. But day by day, Johnson's Brexiteer camp seems more willing to become the USA's colony in terms of foreign policy and trade policy. Which makes sense, from a certain point of view: you leave a big geopolitical bloc and once you find yourself isolated, you try to join another global force that you think will strengthen your newly weakened global position. But this will come at a cost. The USA never really gives a free lunch to any ally. They will ask the UK to open their markets wider than one Instagram thot's thigh gap.
The best outcome of Brexit would be an Anglo-Saxon free trade zone comprising the USA, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand
Dolan wrote:True, but there is a marked change in tone. When he was foreign office minister, Johnson was emphasising the importance of keeping the deal with Iran, of working with "European partners" on this account, etc etc. Now, he seems to have adopted the USA's tough stance on Iran, while also expressing much concern for Israel's interests. It seems that the closer he gets to the Number 10 position, the more he behaves like the USA's poodle.
When all this Brexit campaign was started, there was a lot of talk about "regaining our sovereignty", "going it alone", "boldy forging our own fate outside the EUSSR" and so on and so forth. But day by day, Johnson's Brexiteer camp seems more willing to become the USA's colony in terms of foreign policy and trade policy. Which makes sense, from a certain point of view: you leave a big geopolitical bloc and once you find yourself isolated, you try to join another global force that you think will strengthen your newly weakened global position. But this will come at a cost. The USA never really gives a free lunch to any ally. They will ask the UK to open their markets wider than one Instagram thot's thigh gap.
The best outcome of Brexit would be an Anglo-Saxon free trade zone comprising the USA, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand
This is genius
Countries like the UK and Canada are more culturally and institutionally similar than the UK and EU, and have strong ties in the form of shared ancestries, so it would make more sense than a trade zone combining the UK and EU.
Dolan wrote:True, but there is a marked change in tone. When he was foreign office minister, Johnson was emphasising the importance of keeping the deal with Iran, of working with "European partners" on this account, etc etc. Now, he seems to have adopted the USA's tough stance on Iran, while also expressing much concern for Israel's interests. It seems that the closer he gets to the Number 10 position, the more he behaves like the USA's poodle.
When all this Brexit campaign was started, there was a lot of talk about "regaining our sovereignty", "going it alone", "boldy forging our own fate outside the EUSSR" and so on and so forth. But day by day, Johnson's Brexiteer camp seems more willing to become the USA's colony in terms of foreign policy and trade policy. Which makes sense, from a certain point of view: you leave a big geopolitical bloc and once you find yourself isolated, you try to join another global force that you think will strengthen your newly weakened global position. But this will come at a cost. The USA never really gives a free lunch to any ally. They will ask the UK to open their markets wider than one Instagram thot's thigh gap.
The best outcome of Brexit would be an Anglo-Saxon free trade zone comprising the USA, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand
And what prevents this from happening right now, leaving the UK aside?
Dolan wrote:True, but there is a marked change in tone. When he was foreign office minister, Johnson was emphasising the importance of keeping the deal with Iran, of working with "European partners" on this account, etc etc. Now, he seems to have adopted the USA's tough stance on Iran, while also expressing much concern for Israel's interests. It seems that the closer he gets to the Number 10 position, the more he behaves like the USA's poodle.
When all this Brexit campaign was started, there was a lot of talk about "regaining our sovereignty", "going it alone", "boldy forging our own fate outside the EUSSR" and so on and so forth. But day by day, Johnson's Brexiteer camp seems more willing to become the USA's colony in terms of foreign policy and trade policy. Which makes sense, from a certain point of view: you leave a big geopolitical bloc and once you find yourself isolated, you try to join another global force that you think will strengthen your newly weakened global position. But this will come at a cost. The USA never really gives a free lunch to any ally. They will ask the UK to open their markets wider than one Instagram thot's thigh gap.
The best outcome of Brexit would be an Anglo-Saxon free trade zone comprising the USA, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand
And what prevents this from happening right now, leaving the UK aside?
Horsemen wrote:Countries like the UK and Canada are more culturally and institutionally similar than the UK and EU, and have strong ties in the form of shared ancestries, so it would make more sense than a trade zone combining the UK and EU.
Well, yeah, but that is kinda fading away, tbh. All those countries are becoming less and less Anglo- by the day. For example, when you have a certain part of American society talking about the need to change the constitution written by those dead bigoted Anglos and make it reflect 21st century values, you know the clock is ticking.
Horsemen wrote:Countries like the UK and Canada are more culturally and institutionally similar than the UK and EU, and have strong ties in the form of shared ancestries, so it would make more sense than a trade zone combining the UK and EU.
Well, yeah, but that is kinda fading away, tbh. All those countries are becoming less and less Anglo- by the day. For example, when you have a certain part of American society talking about the need to change the constitution written by those dead bigoted Anglos and make it reflect 21st century values, you know the clock is ticking.
Dolan wrote:True, but there is a marked change in tone. When he was foreign office minister, Johnson was emphasising the importance of keeping the deal with Iran, of working with "European partners" on this account, etc etc. Now, he seems to have adopted the USA's tough stance on Iran, while also expressing much concern for Israel's interests. It seems that the closer he gets to the Number 10 position, the more he behaves like the USA's poodle.
I don't think he's calling for scrapping the deal, he's just open to punishing Iran for violating it. The whole premise of the deal was that if the Iranians ever violated it, sanctions would immediately snap back into force. It's not a new position.
A lot has changed since last year. It's not just Britain, countries like Denmark and Holland are running out of patience with Iran too.
It's not like the UK opposes Iran as a favor to Trump; Iran is a threat to the entire free world. Just yesterday they tried to seize a British tanker. And you know Khamenei regularly leads chants of 'Death to Britain' along with Israel and America.
Boats believed to belong to Iran's Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) approached the British Heritage tanker and tried to bring it to a halt as it was moving out of the Gulf into the Strait of Hormuz.
HMS Montrose, a British frigate shadowing the BP-owned tanker, was forced to move between the three boats and the ship, a Ministry of Defence spokesman said.
He described the Iranians' actions as "contrary to international law".
Guns on HMS Montrose were trained on the Iranian boats as they were ordered to back off, US media reported. The boats heeded the warning and no shots were fired.
Dont worry, most ppl and nations are figuring it out, how to not trust USA in ANY dealings, and this is how you will be a rich corner of the world, that nobody wants to deal with. Prolly not stay rich for long thought. PPL will not take your exploitations much longer, and then YOU are DONE. Better not vote for the Dump next time
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lejend wrote:I don't really think anyone cares about these Soviet poisons you're regurgitating, Spanky.
when did I ever talk about Soviet as a good thing your out of your debt here, and you know it. How about arguing about my points above But I guess you will not, cos its all about what you "believe" is true
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nice buddy buddis wait for it, because there will be much more on this, and Dump will be there, taking advantage of young women (maybe minors, that mean rape). But I guess you will still support him, no matter what he has done, or do That is the Devils work Lejend
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you must think I am ignorant, but then again, I think you know but pretend to be ignorant. That is worse on your behalf. Could being brainwashed make my review about you, more forgiving? Nah, I do not think so, because YOU KNOW all about this, and choose to look the other way @lejend there is no forgiving for you. when you support this guy, with both of your eyes open. shame on you
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your out of your debt here, and you know it. How about arguing about my points above 
But I guess you will not, cos its all about what you "believe" is true
wait for it, because there will be much more on this, and Dump will be there, taking advantage of young women (maybe minors, that mean rape). But I guess you will still support him, no matter what he has done, or do 
That is the Devils work Lejend