England maybe leave EU june 23.

[fightinfrenchman]

I like Bo-Jo's charisma, I think he might do a better job than Theresa May, but he might not be able to get too much done due to having his hands tied by the EU bureaucrats

How can the EU tie his hands when they leave

[Dolan]

hmm, I told you this prolly would happen with a no deal Brexit @Dolan
https://youtu.be/mbwXvNthZr0

Obviously that would happen if the UK chose to exit the EU disorderly. But then, this is a choice that comes with some consequences. The EU will not agree to open any free trade agreement negotiations until those unsettled accounts will be settled. So, sooner or later the UK will have to make a choice between:
- having a trade agreement with the EU and paying those owed money
- not having one and continuing to have its goods and services tariffed and so being less competitive on the EU Common market

There's no free lunch.

[Dolan]

I like Bo-Jo's charisma, I think he might do a better job than Theresa May, but he might not be able to get too much done due to having his hands tied by the EU bureaucrats

This is such a myth. The "EU bureaucrats" get their negotiation mandate from whom? From the European Council, which is the supreme decision forum of the EU. Who is part of the European Council? Democratically elected heads of state.
EU bureaucrats are nothing but executors of decisions that have been made by democratically elected leaders. That's why those European summits are such a big deal in the media, because that's where the real stuff gets decided, that's where EU leaders decide what the agenda of the union will be for the future.

Look, it's been publicly communicated at the start of the negotiations that the Commission got its mandate to negotiate with the UK from the European Council, based on a political decision made by EU leaders:
https://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-1405_en.htm

How did "EU bureaucrats" tie whose hands in this negotiation process?

[pecelot]

I know, I was jokingly saying that about the EU representatives; also, I might not have been incorrect, because even such can be bureaucrats

[Horsemen]

Labour's plans to nationalise 10% of the equity capital of UK companies would cost £300bn and lead to the imposition of capital controls

https://www.ft.com/content/dc17d7ee-cca ... 4456540ea6

[fightinfrenchman]

@Horsemen Don't you support no deal Brexit?

[Horsemen]

@Horsemen Don't you support no deal Brexit?

A no deal brexit will be good for the economy. It will eliminate the near-term business uncertainty over the UK's relationship with the EU.

[fightinfrenchman]

@Horsemen Don't you support no deal Brexit?

A no deal brexit will be good for the economy since it will eliminate the near-term uncertainty over the UK's relationship with the EU.

Lol that's one way of looking at it

[spanky4ever]

No deal brexit will be a cold Turkey

[spanky4ever]

things will settle, in a few weeks or months, I am pretty sure of it. But the real issue is how hard right turn Johnson can switch UK in the meanwhile.

[Horsemen]

@Horsemen Don't you support no deal Brexit?

A no deal brexit will be good for the economy since it will eliminate the near-term uncertainty over the UK's relationship with the EU.

Lol that's one way of looking at it

In the worst case scenario a no deal Brexit is still better than a Corbyn government. The biggest fear of businesses is no longer Brexit but the Labour party.

[Dolan]

@Horsemen Don't you support no deal Brexit?

A no deal brexit will be good for the economy. It will eliminate the near-term business uncertainty over the UK's relationship with the EU.

Then why is Bloomberg shilling for the negative narrative on Brexit?

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... ook-stable

[Horsemen]

@Horsemen Don't you support no deal Brexit?

A no deal brexit will be good for the economy. It will eliminate the near-term business uncertainty over the UK's relationship with the EU.

Then why is Bloomberg shilling for the negative narrative on Brexit?

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... ook-stable

Bloomberg is a left-wing rag, as are most news outlets. Journalists ideologically lean left owing to their education and social class (I.e sheltered middle income posh kids with degrees in political science from Dartmouth). Not to mention it’s impossible to secure a job at a major news outlet these days without conforming to the multiculturalist narrative.

[Dolan]

I thought leftwingers were typically adverse to the big capital and global markets. Why would Bloomberg sell their famed terminals that help you trade on global markets if they were rabidly leftwing?

Something doesn't add up here.

[Horsemen]

I thought leftwingers were typically adverse to the big capital and global markets. Why would Bloomberg sell their famed terminals that help you trade on global markets if they were rabidly leftwing?

Something doesn't add up here.

They are different businesses. The journalists at Bloomberg news are not the data providers at Bloomberg Professional Services.

[RefluxSemantic]

Its funny isnt it? The world is staring at a potential crisis because one imbecile decided to start a ridiculous trade war and another imbecile decided that the UK needs to leave the EU and now refuses to actually make a deal. Meanwhike Brazil and their idiot is actively trying the burn the amazon forest and Poetin has made a sport out of endangering world peace.

Newton said he could only see so far because he could stand on the shoulders of giants. Maybe in the future they will say we crumbled because we told those guys to go ahead and stand on our shoulders.

[Riotcoke]

imbecile *

[Horsemen]

Its funny isnt it? The world is staring at a potential crisis because one imbecil decided to start a ridiculous trade war and another imbecil decided that the UK needs to leave the EU and now refuses to actually make a deal. Meanwhike Brazil and their idiot is actively trying the burn the amazon forest and Poetin has made a sport out of endangering world peace.

Newton said he could only see so far because he could stand on the shoulders of giants. Maybe in the future they will say we crumbled because we told those guys to go ahead and stand on our shoulders.

Socialists created the crisis when they invited mass immigration from unskilled migrants

[Dolan]

One of the original core objectives of the European Economic Community (EEC) was the development of a common market offering free movement of goods, service, people and capital (see below). Free movement of goods was established in principle through the customs union between its then-six member states.

However the EEC struggled to enforce a single market due to the absence of strong decision-making structures. It was difficult to remove intangible barriers with mutual recognition of standards and common regulations due to protectionist attitudes.

In the 1980s, when the economy of the EEC began to lag behind the rest of the developed world, Margaret Thatcher sent Arthur Cockfield, Baron Cockfield, to the Delors Commission to take the initiative to attempt to relaunch the common market. Cockfield wrote and published a White Paper in 1985 identifying 300 measures to be addressed in order to complete a single market. The White Paper was well received and led to the adoption of the Single European Act, a treaty which reformed the decision-making mechanisms of the EEC and set a deadline of 31 December 1992 for the completion of a single market. In the end, it was launched on 1 January 1993.

Mfw, Thatcher and her Brits turned the old European Community into the Common Market-centered Union of today. And later she complained that the EU stinks. Just typical British duplicity, eh. First turn it into what you later condemn, then claim you need to leave because the union has turned into something you didn't want (and which was your initiative in the first place). Just lol.

[Horsemen]

Fuck. We can't have an election now. If Corbyn wins we're fucked.

[fightinfrenchman]

Fuck. We can't have an election now. If Corbyn wins we're fucked.

Vote Lib Dems

[Dolan]

Fuck. We can't have an election now. If Corbyn wins we're fucked.

You know what's funny? If Corbyn wins, you can be 100% sure the UK leaves the EU, because he hates the EU even more than hard Brexiteers. He always dreamt of a Trotskyist utopia in which infrastructure and public utilities are owned by the state and private companies are strictly regulated under a heavy workers' rights framework. So, I think Corbyn would like to see Tories push the UK out of the EU first, so he doesn't have to handle the hot potato of which party took the country out of the EU. He'd rather have Tories get the blame and see them lose the next elections. I think that's Corbyn's plan.

And you know what? It might actually work with the help of Lib Dems. I don't think any particular party has a majority right now and a future majority will be decided by the Lib Dems.

It's gonna be interesting to see if Johnson's gamble will pay off.

[Horsemen]

Fuck. We can't have an election now. If Corbyn wins we're fucked.

You know what's funny? If Corbyn wins, you can be 100% sure the UK leaves the EU, because he hates the EU even more than hard Brexiteers. He always dreamt of a Trotskyist utopia in which infrastructure and public utilities are owned by the state and private companies are strictly regulated under a heavy workers' rights framework. So, I think Corbyn would like to see Tories push the UK out of the EU first, so he doesn't have to handle the hot potato of which party took the country out of the EU. He'd rather have Tories get the blame and see them lose the next elections. I think that's Corbyn's plan.

And you know what? It might actually work with the help of Lib Dems. I don't think any particular party has a majority right now and a future majority will be decided by the Lib Dems.

It's gonna be interesting to see if Johnson's gamble will pay off.

You're right about Corbyn's euroscepticism. I'll never understand why Labour supporters think he will stop a no deal Brexit, or stop Brexit altogether, when Brexit is what he has always wanted.

If Johnson forms an electoral pact with Nigel Farage the Conservatives will win by a landslide. This is what we need now.

[Dolan]

I doubt that they have very distinct electorates. Farage's voters are disgruntled Tory supporters who left the ship when May was PM. Many of them probably came back to the fold when Johnson became PM. Which explains why Farage's editorials lately show signs of desperation: he keeps putting pressure on BJ to deliver on Brexit, as if he would like to score points later if he doesn't. So this seems to indicate Farage is starting to feel the burn, he is starting to feel that his party might simply become an irrelevance if Johnson simply crashes out of the EU. What's the point of having yet another pro Brexit party when Tories manage to force a no-deal Brexit?

[Dolan]

I just realised that B Johnson might turn out to be the PM with the shortest term in UK history.