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titumir wrote:LOL as a science student i know we used to be taught that atom is the smallest molecule , it cannot be divided further , its still can be found in some books and scientists approved , and again many science student died believing it as a fact , believe in science. Now we know atom can be divided into smaller molecules. So Believing in science doesn''t do the trick, the thing is science has limited power , with what u cant approve a limitless power , for example , if any scientific fact works in this world but not in any other planet doesn''t mean science is wrong, is had its limitation. And yes i see nothing wrong in believing miracles. If every man turn into gay , giving birth in this our own world will be a miracle , i hope you live enough long to witness that. Thanks

gibson wrote:

titumir wrote:LOL as a science student i know we used to be taught that atom is the smallest molecule , it cannot be divided further , its still can be found in some books and scientists approved , and again many science student died believing it as a fact , believe in science. Now we know atom can be divided into smaller molecules. So Believing in science doesnt do the trick, the thing is science has limited power , with what u cant approve a limitless power , for example , if any scientific fact works in this world but not in any other planet doesnt mean science is wrong, is had its limitation. And yes i see nothing wrong in believing miracles. If every man turn into gay , giving birth in this our own world will be a miracle , i hope you live enough long to witness that. Thanks

The difference is that science grows to see its errors and than discard the dis proven theorem. Religion doesnt allows for that which is why we still see people from religious groups believing crazy things such as that homosexuality is wrong, that the Bible is infallible, and ultimately that God exists. Im sure in 100 years some of what we believe to be scientific law will have been disproved, and that is the beauty of it. People willing to except that they are wrong and consider a new point of view rather then stubbornly believing in outdated moral codes.

titumir wrote:" I''m sure in 100 years some of what we believe to be scientific law will have been disproved, and that is the beauty of it. " Sure its not beauty its insanity . We believe in science yet we dont quit smoking though it proves its lethal. Cause u like it doesn''t matter science or religion forbids . The moment science proves there is god , that moment Science will be as wrong as religion to non-believers. Its so clear who are stubborn in belief . Anyway , Man never did lay eggs to give birth from the beginning and yet still , though science tell us we actually have eggs of our own. Science have explained this code , its not outdated wont be ever.

jam wrote:Pascal''s Wafer:

A man approaches and tells you that you are poisoned, though you do not know it and he cannot prove it. He tells you that the only cure is to eat his wafer which contains the antidote. You think that perhaps it can''t hurt to eat the wafer just in case, but another man approaches before you do. He tells you that the first wafer is only another poison and that the wafer he offers you contains the antidote. Yet another man approaches and says the same about his wafer. To add to the confusion, another man tells you that wafers are the reason you are poisoned and you must cut them from your diet. After deep thought about which wafers are poisoned, which wafer is the cure, if wafers are the poison or if you are not poisoned in the first place, you look up and see a crowd of hundreds gathered around you with their wafers ready. You lose your appetite.

ovi12 wrote:If there IS a god, and if he''s one of the ones worshiped by some religion, then if you are religious, then the chance that you believe in the right religion is very small as there are hundreds of religions. You might say "Better at least believe in one religion then at least you have a chance that you are right, no matter how small" but there could equally be a god which rewards atheists, because we are the ones who haven''t sacrificed our rational judgement for wishful thinking that there is a man in the sky watching over us, since there is no physical evidence for god. Also some people even sacrifice their morality for their religion, for example people bend over backwards to try to justify the condonance of slavery and the mass murder that is attributed to god in the bible.

venox wrote:

ovi12 wrote:If there IS a god, and if hes one of the ones worshiped by some religion, then if you are religious, then the chance that you believe in the right religion is very small as there are hundreds of religions. You might say "Better at least believe in one religion then at least you have a chance that you are right, no matter how small" but there could equally be a god which rewards atheists, because we are the ones who havent sacrificed our rational judgement for wishful thinking that there is a man in the sky watching over us, since there is no physical evidence for god. Also some people even sacrifice their morality for their religion, for example people bend over backwards to try to justify the condonance of slavery and the mass murder that is attributed to god in the bible.

you sound like this guy (an invisible man in the sky): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

jerom wrote:I think it''s impossible to prove if God exists or not. But it is also impossible to know the exact impulse and position of a parcticle. And with impossible I don''t mean that we just can''t do it yet, I mean that it is impossible according to one of the very core rules of our university: The Heisenberg uncertainty principle. This means that we will never know anything for sure, we can only be very certain (but not 100% certain) of something. You can follow in the footsteps of Descartes, and come to the conclusion that we cannot trust our senses, that we cannot even be sure if we aren''t just making up the entire world we see, it is simply impossible to disprove that we are just a bunch of brains in jars, making up this entire world. When Galileo (and Copernicus before him) tried to make people believe that the earth rotated around the sun, and more importantly, rotated around itself, he couldn''t prove it. Galileo was only able to explain that it was unlikely that the sun and other planets rotated around the earth, and that it wasn''t as unlikely as people thought for the earth to rotate.

There are probably many arguments for or against God, that make his presence more or less likely, but I''d like to focus on one argument. The size of the universe is so large, so unimaginably large, that the existance of life somewhere over there is actually very likely. Estimates are that there are around 10[sup]22[/sup]-10[sup]24[/sup] stars in the universe. That could be even more, if there are stars that we can''t detect for some unknown reason (which isn''t as unlikely as it sounds, since there is missing matter in the universe). I''d say that believing that Aliens exist somewhere out there, is more logical than believing that they don''t. What I don''t understand, is how you can believe that the God you believe in, this humanoid supernatural being, can possibly be the right one. I find it hard to imagine that one of the religions is right over all of the other religions that exist or have existed, but it''d be even harder to believe in this God, as it is presented by a religion, if you take into account that there are possibly millions of other species shattered around the universe. That to me, does not make God something likely.

What is more likely, to me, is that God is something that humans made up in order to explain what they could not explain. When I was a kid, whenever I heard my heartbeat in my ear while trying to sleep, I thought that someone was endlessly walking up the stairs to come for me. I made up something very illogical, because I did not understand that it was my heartbeat. The Ancient Greeks believed that lightning was caused by Zeus, their God of lightning. In Hinduism, they believe in reincarnation, which offers a convenient explanation for the old question: What happens after death? This question is impossible to answer, and somehow the answer "nothing" seems weird and unlikely. I cannot imagine, that when I die I''ll simply be gone, my brain just cannot imagine what it is like to not be there. In this case, the explanation of reincarnation, or heaven, seems so much more likely. I like to believe that this is the reason why so many people around the world believe in God. It offers explanation for things that are otherwise hard, or impossible to understand.

To me, God is more likely made up by people to explain what they could not, than that God really exists. Because I will never be certain of anything, I like to believe what I find probable. To me, a world without God is very probable, thus that is what I tend to believe.

Snuden wrote:If there is, please buy me a Mercedes Benz!