Top places to live

Mr. Pecksniff · Post by **Mr. Pecksniff** » 24 Jul 2015, 11:09

Where would you most like to live most in the world? Assuming there would be no financial, legal or language barriers restricting your choices.

1. Switzerland
2. Norway
3. UK
4. Canada
5. Australia
100. USA

I should probably mention that I've never been to Switzerland or Norway, but they sound good enough from where I'm sitting here in Ajman.

mvp · Post by **mvp** » 24 Jul 2015, 12:36

its pretty nice here i live in liechtenstein, close to switzerland we have the second highest gdp in the world and i can say it's really nice to live here i, if i had the choice to live somewhere else i wouldn't do it and stay here

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 24 Jul 2015, 13:22

I like the Netherlands. Best healthcare of Europe, second best education, nice flat bicycle country, money for you if you are too poor. Its pretty fun over here I'd say. Always been a little bit attracted to The scandinavian countries aswell.

edehollandsbrother · Post by **edehollandsbrother** » 24 Jul 2015, 13:26

I agree the Netherlands is very nice if you don't have a job, because you get a lot of free money and you won't notice the retardedly high taxes. But if you plan to work for your money, I would go somewhere else.

astriobulik · Post by **astriobulik** » 24 Jul 2015, 13:36

albania,dont know how am i still alive

Mr. Pecksniff · Post by **Mr. Pecksniff** » 24 Jul 2015, 14:03

mvp wrote:its pretty nice here i live in liechtenstein, close to switzerland we have the second highest gdp in the world and i can say it''s really nice to live here i, if i had the choice to live somewhere else i wouldn''t do it and stay here

Liechtenstein is basically Switzerland tbh

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 24 Jul 2015, 14:11

Also germany is switzerlands 27 kanton (little parts of switzerland). I heard in belgium you pay 50% if your income but everything is free, healthcare, open libraries etc...

Mr_Bramboy · Post by **Mr_Bramboy** » 24 Jul 2015, 16:31

North Korea is best Korea

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 24 Jul 2015, 16:35

Most states in the US are pretty nice tbh

Mr. Pecksniff · Post by **Mr. Pecksniff** » 24 Jul 2015, 16:40

venox wrote:Also germany is switzerlands 27 kanton (little parts of switzerland). I heard in belgium you pay 50% if your income but everything is free, healthcare, open libraries etc...

Well in that case, Netherlands is basically Switzerland as well. As is Austria.

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 24 Jul 2015, 16:50

Switzerland shouldn't think about joining the EU, countries of the EU should think about joining Switzerland' we got TOBLERONE

[img]http://www.20min.ch/diashow/78868/78868-zGIioFxWVR0VsSN3N7WlpA.jpg[/img]

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 24 Jul 2015, 19:23

edehollandsbrother wrote:I agree the Netherlands is very nice if you don''t have a job, because you get a lot of free money and you won''t notice the retardedly high taxes. But if you plan to work for your money, I would go somewhere else.

Its called solidarity. If you earn more than 50k it cant be that bad to pay 50% taxes.

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 24 Jul 2015, 19:35

Maybe with "top" places he meant the highest places over sea level.

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 24 Jul 2015, 19:36

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Mr. Pecksniff · Post by **Mr. Pecksniff** » 24 Jul 2015, 19:46

incog wrote:looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

OK i am banning myself from this thread now

fucking socialism

get back in here

why is it a surprise to you that countries with bigger welfare states have higher quality of life?

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 24 Jul 2015, 21:12

jerom wrote:
edehollandsbrother wrote:I agree the Netherlands is very nice if you dont have a job, because you get a lot of free money and you wont notice the retardedly high taxes. But if you plan to work for your money, I would go somewhere else.
Its called solidarity. If you earn more than 50k it cant be that bad to pay 50% taxes.

i completely disagree. While I am not apposed to high taxes, 50% for someone making 50k is far to much. Youre taking someone who should be middle class and putting them around the poverty level. 25k is just not enough for 2 adults and 3 children to live on comfortably.

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 24 Jul 2015, 21:23

When everybody has to pay 50% of the taxes and the government provides much stuff then the salaries automatically ARE higher, because the state invests more people earn more and the cycle is closed.

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 24 Jul 2015, 21:25

gibson wrote:
jerom wrote:Its called solidarity. If you earn more than 50k it cant be that bad to pay 50% taxes.
i completely disagree. While I am not apposed to high taxes, 50% for someone making 50k is far to much. Youre taking someone who should be middle class and putting them around the poverty level. 25k is just not enough for 2 adults and 3 children to live on comfortably.

Its actually slightly more complex I just realised.. I think here you pay 36.5% over the first 20k, then 42% for 20-60k and then 52% after that. Which leaves you plenty to live with I think. Also, 25k is easily plenty to live with. The poorest people here get 16640 per year. Which is hard to live on, but definitely doable.

The other side of the story is where you dont pay taxes and accept that people live off of less than 10k per year. Now thats actual poverty where you wont be able to affort food anymore. Imo, they should put 60% taxes on people that earn something above the 200k per year. Thats just too much money to ever deserve.

91 · Post by 91 » 24 Jul 2015, 21:27

gibson wrote:
jerom wrote:Its called solidarity. If you earn more than 50k it cant be that bad to pay 50% taxes.
i completely disagree. While I am not apposed to high taxes, 50% for someone making 50k is far to much. Youre taking someone who should be middle class and putting them around the poverty level. 25k is just not enough for 2 adults and 3 children to live on comfortably.

Calculations pls

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 24 Jul 2015, 21:29

jerom wrote:
gibson wrote:i completely disagree. While I am not apposed to high taxes, 50% for someone making 50k is far to much. Youre taking someone who should be middle class and putting them around the poverty level. 25k is just not enough for 2 adults and 3 children to live on comfortably.
Its actually slightly more complex I just realised.. I think here you pay 36.5% over the first 20k, then 42%??for 20-60k and then 52% after that. Which leaves you plenty to live with I think. Also, 25k is easily plenty to live with. The poorest people here get 16640 per year. Which is hard to live on, but definitely doable.

The other side of the story is where you dont pay taxes and accept that people live off of less than 10k per year. Now thats actual poverty where you wont be able to affort food anymore. Imo, they should put 60% taxes on people that earn something above the 200k per year. Thats just too much money to ever deserve. ?

the real question is does someone with bad money management and a bad work ethic deserve someones money who has good money management and a good work ethic.

Edit: not saying that it isnt the governments job to help people, it is fully their responsibility to be sure that everyone can have shelter food etc. It is not their responsibility to take half the money of hard working people so unemployed people can have cable high speed Internet smartphones etc

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 24 Jul 2015, 21:33

jerom wrote:
gibson wrote:i completely disagree. While I am not apposed to high taxes, 50% for someone making 50k is far to much. Youre taking someone who should be middle class and putting them around the poverty level. 25k is just not enough for 2 adults and 3 children to live on comfortably.
Its actually slightly more complex I just realised.. I think here you pay 36.5% over the first 20k, then 42% for 20-60k and then 52% after that. Which leaves you plenty to live with I think. Also, 25k is easily plenty to live with. The poorest people here get 16640 per year. Which is hard to live on, but definitely doable.

The other side of the story is where you dont pay taxes and accept that people live off of less than 10k per year. Now thats actual poverty where you wont be able to affort food anymore. Imo, they should put 60% taxes on people that earn something above the 200k per year. Thats just too much money to ever deserve.

Over 60% sounds unrealistic to me: theyd look that they earn less so they wont fall in that category, since hey earning 199k and 52% leaves you with more than 200k and 60%. Also people earning this much will reinvest it and spend it hopefully in the country. People earning this much also will be made responsible if they fuck up. You want a nation to not be counteracting economical growth, in the long run it benefits everybody.

If you think that those people dont deserve the money and it wont benefit all in the long run: You cant take that much money off of them and think the big fish will stay and spend money in your country. Having about teh same tax level as close nations is your best bet' I see countries trying to attract rich people comparable to rivaling supermarkets fighting over customers.

Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 24 Jul 2015, 21:34

frycookofdoom wrote:
incog wrote:looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

OK i am banning myself from this thread now

fucking socialism
get back in here

why is it a surprise to you that countries with bigger welfare states have higher quality of life?

Keeps amazing me how many people are surprised by this lol

Good ol Ivan · Post by **Good ol Ivan** » 24 Jul 2015, 21:50

Switzerland
Norway
Australia
NZ
Canada
Germany
U.S.
Netherlands
Ireland
Japan

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 24 Jul 2015, 21:50

gibson wrote:
jerom wrote:Its actually slightly more complex I just realised.. I think here you pay 36.5% over the first 20k, then 42% for 20-60k and then 52% after that. Which leaves you plenty to live with I think. Also, 25k is easily plenty to live with. The poorest people here get 16640 per year. Which is hard to live on, but definitely doable.

The other side of the story is where you dont pay taxes and accept that people live off of less than 10k per year. Now thats actual poverty where you wont be able to affort food anymore. Imo, they should put 60% taxes on people that earn something above the 200k per year. Thats just too much money to ever deserve.
the real question is does someone with bad money management and a bad work ethic deserve someones money who has good money management and a good work ethic.

Edit: not saying that it isnt the governments job to help people, it is fully their responsibility to be sure that everyone can have shelter food etc. It is not their responsibility to take half the money of hard working people so unemployed people can have cable high speed Internet smartphones etc

Yes they deserve it. Theres reason to believe that people cant help who they are. If they are lazy/stupid thats just because thats who they are. I know thats kinda a destructive mentality, but Ive stopped believing in such a thing as the will. To me, people are nothing more than machines that turn output into input. You can blame them for getting a certain output when you give them a certain input. So yes, people deserve to have the means to live as normal human beings and not suffer because they are too poor. And because of that, Ill happily give a big part of my money to them just because my machine is functioning better than theirs.

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