The armenian genocide

[[Armag] diarouga]

I had a discussion with breezebrothers who said that it didn't happen...
Who else thinks that only 10 000 armenian died and that european countries accused Turkey for nothing and that we're not democracies?

[gibson]

I'm pretty sure that everybody outside of Turkey believes it happened, those inside are brainwashed into believing it didn't.

[[Armag] diarouga]

That's quite weird tho, I expected people in Turkey to believe it happened....

[gibson]

That''s quite weird tho, I expected people in Turkey to believe it happened....

if your told something is true all you life, you tend to believe it. My mom has Turkish friends who have lived in the United states for 5+ years now and they still don''t believe it happened.

[Good ol Ivan]

That''s quite weird tho, I expected people in Turkey to believe it happened....

Lol why would they?

[noissance]

Didnt metis say holocaust deniers exist even today or something?

[lordraphael]

lol breeze is also a supporter of the Erdogan regime so i think u can disregard his opinion @ topic it happened it was cruel and its actually a shame that the majority of the turkish society denies it but denial of its own bad parts in history is a pretty common among all nations across the globe. Look at japan denying their actions during their imperialistic time, USA kinda denying /not clearing the question of native american genocide ... could go on and on with this list. Each nations has its own dark parts in their history and very few are openly admitting their faults and take responsibilitys for them

[Metis]

Have you ever seen the left-wing YouTube news show called "The Young Turks" (TYT)? The group that called itself the Young Turks was responsible for the Armenian massacre. The founder of YouTube's TYT, Cenk Uygur, is Turkish, his lead female co-host, Ana Kasparian, is Armenian.

[video src="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rginnJlPlGM"][/video]

[evilcheadar]

Breezebrothers... Yea not only I heard he was he banned for cheat, but also denies genocide. No surprise.

[imperial]

OMG ?TS A VERY VERY B?G L?E

AND WE TURKS ARE VERY PROUD ABOUT OUR H?STORY!!!

[anonymousv2]

I am doing a resaerch paper about it right now (what a coincidence) and i can say that it most definetly did happen. I have been to the Armenian cultural center near my house and have talked to the people there, and they have told me countless stories of their parents and family and the Genocide. Turkey denies it because they can, and because they can push around Armenia because it is such a small country.

[Metis]

native american genocide

There was no Native American genocide in North America. I''m not saying this because I don''t deny that tens of thousands of Native Americans were not killed, they were. However, this was not the result of a systematic slaughter of Amerindians per se but rather the result of wars of conquest with massacres and reprisals on both sides. Also, the Native Americans themselves were comprised of hundreds of warring tribes and not a single unified people.

During the time when European powers were vying for control in the New World, different Amerindian tribes would side with different countries and thus get caught up in their wars. For instance, what we Americans call the French and Indian War was the North American theatre of the Seven Years'' War. In North America the British and their native allies battled the French and their native allies. The same thing happened in the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, and the American Civil War. It''s difficult to find a single conflict between Americans and Indians in which at least some Indians weren''t allied with the Americans.

There was no genocide. What occurred was the swamping out of genes and culture by an invading population, a naturally occurring event. It''s hard to find an American, other than those whose ancestors only recently immigrated, who doesn''t have some Indian heritage. My family has Cherokee, Chickasaw and Choctaw heritage at least. My ex-girlfriend''s Dad was a quarter Crow. Nearly all US Hispanics have South or Central American Indian heritage.


http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2014 ... -americans

[Mimsy for President]

native american genocide

There was no Native American genocide in North America. Im not saying this because I dont deny that tens of thousands of Native Americans were not killed, they were. However, this was not the result of a systematic slaughter of Amerindians per se but rather the result of wars of conquest with massacres and reprisals on both sides. Also, the Native Americans themselves were comprised of hundreds of warring tribes and not a single unified people.

During the time when European powers were vying for control in the New World, different Amerindian tribes would side with different countries and thus get caught up in their wars. For instance, what we Americans call the French and Indian War was the North American theatre of the Seven Years War. In North America the British and their native allies battled the French and their native allies. The same thing happened in the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, and the American Civil War. Its difficult to find a single conflict between Americans and Indians in which at least some Indians werent allied with the Americans.

There was no genocide. What occurred was the swamping out of genes and culture by an invading population, a naturally occurring event. Its hard to find an American, other than those whose ancestors only recently immigrated, who doesnt have some Indian heritage. My family has Cherokee, Chickasaw and Choctaw heritage at least. My ex-girlfriends Dad was a quarter Crow. Nearly all US Hispanics have South or Central American Indian heritage.


http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2014 ... -americans

:surprised: I cant believe you think that. Can we really allow such things here ?

[[Armag] diarouga]

There was no Native American genocide in North America. Im not saying this because I dont deny that tens of thousands of Native Americans were not killed, they were. However, this was not the result of a systematic slaughter of Amerindians per se but rather the result of wars of conquest with massacres and reprisals on both sides. Also, the Native Americans themselves were comprised of hundreds of warring tribes and not a single unified people.

During the time when European powers were vying for control in the New World, different Amerindian tribes would side with different countries and thus get caught up in their wars. For instance, what we Americans call the French and Indian War was the North American theatre of the Seven Years War. In North America the British and their native allies battled the French and their native allies. The same thing happened in the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, and the American Civil War. Its difficult to find a single conflict between Americans and Indians in which at least some Indians werent allied with the Americans.

There was no genocide. What occurred was the swamping out of genes and culture by an invading population, a naturally occurring event. Its hard to find an American, other than those whose ancestors only recently immigrated, who doesnt have some Indian heritage. My family has Cherokee, Chickasaw and Choctaw heritage at least. My ex-girlfriends Dad was a quarter Crow. Nearly all US Hispanics have South or Central American Indian heritage.


http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2014 ... -americans

:surprised: I cant believe you think that. Can we really allow such things here ?

^^
Thats a controversial thing tho. Whats unbelievable is that 3 people voted no in this thread.

[momuuu]

I find it hard to believe that a few million people disappeared for no reason then.

[Mimsy for President]

If the genocide perpetrated by the Americans is controversial, then Nazis are innocent as well. NO ! It doesn't work like that. No double standards. The Americans are like the immigrants coming to Europe. 1 difference : the Americans actually imposed their "sharia".

[grihaci]

We Turks are really really bad at preserving history. There are some historical documents and artifacts that describe events which were thousands years ago. However, we know very little about even our last couple centuries. My high school history teacher used to say that there was no genocide. Did Turks killed a lot of Armenians? Yes. But it cannot be named as "genocide" because at that time we were at war, and lots of Turkish villages were attacked and raided by Armenians. When soldiers were sent to put down revolt, we had to force a lot of Armenians to migrate. In migration time there were of course resistance and inevitably massacres happened, but not a genocide.
Genocide means "mass destruction of an ethnic group". Yes, it doesn't mean an ethnic group should be killed entirely, but to name it genocide, it should be planned beforehand. As I said, what happened had nothing to do with wiping out people, as there were also a lot of Turkish casualties.
Then again, alas, we are very bad at recording and keeping and interpreting history. This was my teachers idea and although he was a very good historian , this may be the wrong version of history. But i believe it is not even close to what Nazis did.

[lukas2223]

Ever heard of the indian removal act metis? Lol

[[Armag] diarouga]

We Turks are really really bad at preserving history. There are some historical documents and artifacts that describe events which were thousands years ago. However, we know very little about even our last couple centuries. My high school history teacher used to say that there was no genocide. Did Turks killed a lot of Armenians? Yes. But it cannot be named as "genocide" because at that time we were at war, and lots of Turkish villages were attacked and raided by Armenians. When soldiers were sent to put down revolt, we had to force a lot of Armenians to migrate. In migration time there were of course resistance and inevitably massacres happened, but not a genocide.
Genocide means "mass destruction of an ethnic group". Yes, it doesn''t mean an ethnic group should be killed entirely, but to name it genocide, it should be planned beforehand. As I said, what happened had nothing to do with wiping out people, as there were also a lot of Turkish casualties.
Then again, alas, we are very bad at recording and keeping and interpreting history. This was my teachers idea and although he was a very good historian , this may be the wrong version of history. But i believe it is not even close to what Nazis did.

Some members of turc''s government said that they wanted to annihilate armenian''s race tho.

And anyway, when breeze says that there were only 10k dead people, that''s definitely negationism. There''s a huge difference between 10 000 and 1 200 000.

[Scarrr]

Actually it was quite similar to what nazis did. Thousands of armenians (probably around 1 millions ) were deported into killing camp in the syrian desert. The "ironical" part is that according to historians, this is most likely the germans who gave them the idea.

[Mr. Pecksniff]

lol breeze is also a supporter of the Erdogan regime so i think u can disregard his opinion @ topic it happened it was cruel and its actually a shame that the majority of the turkish society denies it but denial of its own bad parts in history is a pretty common among all nations across the globe. Look at japan denying their actions during their imperialistic time, USA kinda denying /not clearing the question of native american genocide ... could go on and on with this list. Each nations has its own dark parts in their history and very few are openly admitting their faults and take responsibilitys for them

>supporting Erdogan

man, fuck this planet

[imperial]

lol breeze is also a supporter of the Erdogan regime so i think u can disregard his opinion @ topic it happened it was cruel and its actually a shame that the majority of the turkish society denies it but denial of its own bad parts in history is a pretty common among all nations across the globe. Look at japan denying their actions during their imperialistic time, USA kinda denying /not clearing the question of native american genocide ... could go on and on with this list. Each nations has its own dark parts in their history and very few are openly admitting their faults and take responsibilitys for them

>'supporting Erdogan

man, fuck this planet

You are speaking too much loudmouth ignorant

[Mr. Pecksniff]

>'supporting Erdogan

man, fuck this planet

You are speaking too much loudmouth ignorant

How is it ignorant to disparage an outspoken Islamist?

[imperial]

You are speaking too much loudmouth ignorant

How is it ignorant to disparage an outspoken Islamist?

He is conservative

[Mr. Pecksniff]

How is it ignorant to disparage an outspoken Islamist?

He is conservative

He wants to revive the Ottoman Empire, thats about as radical as you can get.