Thanks to Whatsapp policy I use Telegram OP

[Ashvin]

Well its windows 10 because of which I completely switched to Linux, i have win10 just for aoe and a few things. Time is gone when the open source was buggy, its beautiful like any other paid OS and fast too, besides, you are free to tweak its everything.

[iNcog]

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[Ashvin]

There is software "Wine" (which stands for Wine Is Not Emulator) which runs Windows softwares on Linux, I would play counter-strike back in my first year in uni. See if it works for you if you are interested.

[benj89]

i don't get this intrusion on my privacy thing, don't you have a credit/debit card? don't you use internet? don't you have a phone? I don't think facebook really cares about where you live or where you went to school

By having a bank account your privacy is not intruded nearly as much as by having a Facebook account. And there are ways to use the internet privately, and a lot of people do. Regarding your last point, I think you are underestimating the interests of Facebook. Facebook and companies alike (Microsoft, Apple, etc.) are demanding more and more of your privacy by the day. Facebook and Microsoft, recently changed their policies, and heck, Microsoft even gave away Windows 10 (spyware) away free to everyone, and insisted for months that you upgrade with endless notifications to anyone who had not yet upgraded.

I don't want to go into too much detail as it's off topic, but I think your presumption of the benevolence of Facebook is wrong, and perhaps even a dangerous one.

well credit card companies are selling your purchase data to ad agencies, and it's a matter of time before it's still anonymous (who knows what they actually do with that data). I believe this is the future (disney guys are some of the most talented corporate people) https://datafloq.com/read/walt-disneys- ... g-data/472, and big data will have a huge impact in the years to come.
Most people I know don't use internet privately except the ones who have something to hide (I mean check the most visited websites on tor..). but I don't know maybe I just know people who don't care
I'm sure fb/google/microsoft are spying everyone and there is a purpose behind it, but I'm also sure none of us are special targets, and the fact that some multinational have some of your privacy infos makes you worried sounds like paranoia to me. What could they know that'd have an impact on your life? Unless you live like an hermit I don't think you can do much about it anyway.
You better be worried about the fact that they pay 0.005% taxes on billions of revenues which affect our economy

[iNcog]

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[benj89]

Most people I know don't use internet privately except the ones who have something to hide (I mean check the most visited websites on tor..).

Does Benji's blog count?! https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-coo ... t-websites

Nah I see what you mean but in the end, I don't see the point of feeding into that shit in the first place.

I mean, would you be OK with facebook using your webcam to see into your room? Is that oK? at what point is privacy no longer important to you?

well I wouldn't but I also know It will never happen. Would you be ok with the government spying on your telephone conversations and daily activities? probably not, but it won't happen neither. Neither Facebook or the government cares about you, besides using some info for some big data report.

I rater be able to communicate with people (using skype, facebook, snapchat), have a credit card, have a phone, have a life and risk the fact that FB/microsoft/the gov would do to me what they don't even do to fiché S terrorists.
I just assume that potentially some people could invade my privacy, see which porn website I occasionally check, which payment I did the past month, how's my room decorated, but I have nothing to hide and by being reasonable I know this will never happen. It's a non sense problem to me. If the government truly wants to spy on you btw, they won't need facebook to do that. Besides, I don't think there's a back office guy at FB HQ who's checking each user's webcam.

So in the end for being able to live and communicate with family and friends, I risk that they would do what they don't even do to terrorits.
btw, just googled this: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/social- ... s-3537202/

[Gendarme]

Governments might, and probably will, care about you if you are important enough and/or opposed to their law. It is not just about the governments targeting me or you; they can easily target 10% of the population simultaneously. Totalitarianism/police state is not necessarily too far away (but of course all in the name of freedom and democracy), in which case privacy is of utmost importance.

Even if I am completely wrong and all governments are fully benevolent and in the service of the people, they haven't earned my trust, and I don't want to share my private information with them. Things are not private for the sake of being private. Different people have different knowledge about me and my non-public affairs. Even in the best case, where the government is not an enemy, they still fall in the category of strangers, and do not get to access my private information. In other words, I DO have things to hide, even if they are not criminal activities (and all criminal activity is not necessarily wrong anyway; laws are very far from perfect).

[benj89]

Easily target 10% of the population, I'd be very curious to know where you get that from, big data is very recent. The DGSE, one of the best secret service in the world has a - very - hard time to target a few thousands potential terrorists and by target I mean simply following their location/habits/their closest friends.

Yea of course that's wrong but I'm seeing it as "if you can't measure it you can't manage it", and thinking that the boycott of FB/skype will protect your privacy while you guys have a phone/internet/credit cards sounds nonsense to me. I mean it's like incog who suspects FB of having access to your webcam, but at the same time has windows 10 (I'm sure there is an article on the internet stating that windows 10 can have access to your webcam) and an iphone/android. If you want to follow some strict principles that's cool, but fully commit then :).
I didn't get neither where you came from "they can easily target 10% of the pop" and "do not get to access my private infos", which make me think that you truly believe you have any control on your privacy, so you must be some type of hermit as I suggested before. Having ideological discussions is fine and everything should be debated, but I'm just trying to be pragmatic here.
I'm also wondering how do you actually communicate with relatives that are far from your home?

[pecelot]

yeah, I agree with the above, I mean I am concerned by surveillance etc., but nowadays not using social media and all that stuff is too tough to handle and like live normally. For instance, in every school I was going to we had a Fb group in which all important discussions took place and information was posted. Boycotting this particular site would be very awkward then.
I passively disagree with modern IT policies, but it's not like I can do much about that, so I pretty much dont care and live somewhat happily, sorry :(
And for the record, incog still has a flip phone, afaik. ^^

[Rikikipu]

yeah, I agree with the above, I mean I am concerned by surveillance etc., but nowadays not using social media and all that stuff is too tough to handle and like live normally. For instance, in every school I was going to we had a Fb group in which all important discussions took place and information was posted. Boycotting this particular site would be very awkward then.
I passively disagree with modern IT policies, but it's not like I can do much about that, so I pretty much dont care and live somewhat happily, sorry :(
And for the record, incog still has a flip phone, afaik. ^^

I don't have fb but I've never missed any event. In these groups there are mostly useless informations/spam

[iNcog]

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[Gendarme]

Easily target 10% of the population, I'd be very curious to know where you get that from, big data is very recent. The DGSE, one of the best secret service in the world has a - very - hard time to target a few thousands potential terrorists and by target I mean simply following their location/habits/their closest friends.

Yea of course that's wrong but I'm seeing it as "if you can't measure it you can't manage it", and thinking that the boycott of FB/skype will protect your privacy while you guys have a phone/internet/credit cards sounds nonsense to me. I mean it's like incog who suspects FB of having access to your webcam, but at the same time has windows 10 (I'm sure there is an article on the internet stating that windows 10 can have access to your webcam) and an iphone/android. If you want to follow some strict principles that's cool, but fully commit then :).
I didn't get neither where you came from "they can easily target 10% of the pop" and "do not get to access my private infos", which make me think that you truly believe you have any control on your privacy, so you must be some type of hermit as I suggested before. Having ideological discussions is fine and everything should be debated, but I'm just trying to be pragmatic here.
I'm also wondering how do you actually communicate with relatives that are far from your home?

As a trivial and ineffective example, how difficult is it really to check for some keywords like 'government', 'freedom', 'libert*' and give the people a mark for each use of those words and have a team of 100 000 people going through the chat history of people with high enough number of marks?

To your pragmatic point, I did not remove Facebook simply for the surveillance. Facebook had many negative impacts on me. I don't care enough about my privacy at the moment (for good or for bad I don't know), but I think I will in the future and take the necessary measures.

[momuuu]

The business goal of a company like whatsapp is to offer their service for free, which lets be honest is basically the only way to get people to use it, and in that way try to conquer the market. With social media-esque things once you have the largest market share its really hard for other companies to compete. Why would I try to switch to google plus if all people dont use it and use facebook instead, how can I start using telegram if nobody over here uses that?

The benefit of winning the war and becoming the number one (like whatsapp has done) is that you can then finally get profit out of your company by selling people's data. Its legitemate for whatsapp to do that because theres basically no other way to sustain your company otherwise. You cant make the app paid because people are cheap and will just switch to a different app, and you wont survive with donations. I bet telegram will eventually do the same thing. Unfortunately this is the way these things work.

Theyre not really reading your conversations I think. Just the data of what people you talk a lot to is worth a bit I suppose.

[benj89]

As a trivial and ineffective example, how difficult is it really to check for some keywords like 'government', 'freedom', 'libert*' and give the people a mark for each use of those words and have a team of 100 000 people going through the chat history of people with high enough number of marks?
Well that's easy to answer: seems like an analyst entry job at the FBI would pay around 50k per year, 50k x 100k = 5 billion each year. After a quick search, the OVERALL 2016 budget for the FBI in 2016 was 8 billion, so 60% of FBI budget would have to be dedicated to that. It seems like there are about 35K fbi employees currently anyway.
But hey, I believe apple stacks about 200 billion $ overseas, and most multinationals such as google/microsoft/ibm/GE/yahoo.. you name it do the same. Speaking about priorities..
To your pragmatic point, I did not remove Facebook simply for the surveillance. Facebook had many negative impacts on me. I don't care enough about my privacy at the moment (for good or for bad I don't know), but I think I will in the future and take the necessary measures.
I believe there are more important concerns in life that being worried about some potential government/multinational intrusion in your privacy unless you have a good reason to be worried about it, but that's just me. I'm not of fan of all these social media stuff neither, I just take what I consider the good sides of these and ignore what I consider useless, such as people faking their lives etc.

[Gendarme]

The business goal of a company like whatsapp is to offer their service for free, which lets be honest is basically the only way to get people to use it, and in that way try to conquer the market. With social media-esque things once you have the largest market share its really hard for other companies to compete. Why would I try to switch to google plus if all people dont use it and use facebook instead, how can I start using telegram if nobody over here uses that?

The benefit of winning the war and becoming the number one (like whatsapp has done) is that you can then finally get profit out of your company by selling people's data. Its legitemate for whatsapp to do that because theres basically no other way to sustain your company otherwise. You cant make the app paid because people are cheap and will just switch to a different app, and you wont survive with donations. I bet telegram will eventually do the same thing. Unfortunately this is the way these things work.

Theyre not really reading your conversations I think. Just the data of what people you talk a lot to is worth a bit I suppose.

Free software is appreciated by many, and even though Telegram is not free (yet), it is not too far away. I think a lot of people would be ready to pay a one-time sum for Telegram. Also, there are ways to profit other than taking fees from users.

[iNcog]

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[pecelot]

Telegram_OP is currently being blocked in Russia

[kami_ryu]

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[Rikikipu]

Telegram_OP is currently being blocked in Russia

[Djigit]

inb4 Durov gets poisoned MonkaS

[Goodspeed]

Telegram may have been more secure than WA when it was first released but as of now they are only riding the sentiment that they are more secure when actually they are less so.
https://www.securemessagingapps.com/

[pecelot]

yeah, even non-opposition officials were reported to have registered on Telegram

[Sargsyan]

Telegram may have been more secure than WA when it was first released but as of now they are only riding the sentiment that they are more secure when actually they are less so.
https://www.securemessagingapps.com/

Well my brother has a friend who sells all kinds of dope including cocaine. he uses telegram to communicate with consumers and guess what hes free to move

[Goodspeed]

I would advise him to use something that isn't attached to his phone number. But who cares, really? Authorities aren't going to scan billions of messages for a couple of small time drug dealers.

[Sargsyan]

I would advise him to use something that isn't attached to his phone number. But who cares, really? Authorities aren't going to scan billions of messages for a couple of small time drug dealers.

Yeah hes very careful he has another phone for the bussiness which is turned off most of the time and uses vpn so he should be fine