[quote source="/post/39796/thread" timestamp="1439691595" author="@bobabu"]Happily the fixed all those problems except balance. But a lot of people don't realize this. Now you can actually have napoleonic era installed and still play tad online. I tried to stream Napoleonic Era once but I always get a blackscreen on the stream. Maybe this should be fixed.
[/quote]Via twitch or how? Did the blackscreen have an error message or something? Could you elaborate on it pls?
[quote author="@jutlander" timestamp="1439696606" source="/post/39812/thread"]I really like NE, but if I had to choose, I think I'd give WoL a try.
I mean, don't get me wrong, but it's a mod, so IMO the idea of it is to change the game.
NE doesn't do much in that regard, it's just an expansion of some sort, and imba expansion, if I want a solid rts, I have TAD, which I play a lot.[/quote]Ah, don't worry, there'll come enough changes in the features that give the mod a completely new spin. There are different types of mods though, not every mod needs to be a total conversion to be enjoyable, some people like less change. NE started as expansion mod indeed, but we're about to leave that path.
We could do live patching too, but decided against it. If a patch is badly done, it can easily screw the game for everyone with no way back. Then nobody can play? They're not professionals after all (and even those manage to screw games with patches). Plus live patchingis an error-prone and tricky process of file transfer. It only sounds great when you hear it. I've played a lot of games with autopatchers, there's always something that doesn't work or goes terribly wrong.On the other hand, WoL seems super flamboyant, I imagine myself having hours of just discovering stuff, but well, the mod still needs to come out.
Also, iirc, they can live patch stuff, so eventually it would get kind of balanced, regardless of having an absurd amount of civs of features.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
PS. Game is not released yet, so I may just be talking nonsense.[span] [/span]
As for WoL, it is indeed flamboyant and they're super hypey about everything they do. Don't expect a better balance though. NE might be imba for TAD standards (which isn't well-balanced in all regards either), but the features of WoL civs are at least structurally doomed to be imba and OP, because they do everything for the sake of uniqueness and teh lulz giving much less thought to potential balance threats when designing stuff than to the looks. In massive uniqueness and variety there lies huge imbalance, you know. There's a good reason why civs from AoE have always been streamlined to a certain degree. ')
[quote timestamp="1439702142" source="/post/39815/thread" author="@pounendo"]Played NE. Super unbalanced. I feel like some civs likes the poles would be op for treaty. I had 287/200 pop, and they literally have 3 extra resource upgrades. The italians have really expensive villagers that cost food and coin, and are limited in number unless you send a total of 6 shipments to max out in merchant pop. Haven't tried the rest of them, but it's still interesting to see all the new additions for sure!
[/quote]Yes, there is still obvious imbalance in the mod, but I wouldn't call the mod as a whole super unbalanced, that goes too far. NE is yet like this because the mod was not designed for a highly competitive audience in first place, but rather singleplayer at which it has always been very popular. Online players often underrate the actual size of the singleplayer scene, for example, the latest version has been released in November 2014 and since then made 47.000 DLs in total. If you set that into relation with online players, you'll see how many ppl play singleplayer and that's not surprising, because the AoE franchise has always been massively played in singleplayer. So that explains the current lack of fleshed out online balance. ^^
So I actually wouldn't be reliant on making the mod fit for multiplayer, but I very much care to receive feedback from competitive players like you in order to fix these things. Edeholland can approve my efforts. So yeah, I find the balance pretty hilarious myself at some points, but if you can come up with ideas how to fix it, I'm all ears![/quote]There was no error message. I recorded my monitor with Open Broadcaster Software. But on twitch you could only see a black screen. I don't have this problem with tad, nilla or twc.