Autumn 2017 Betting discussion thread

[Victor_swe]

luckyyyyyy

[roiarthurbis]

Didn't even know this started.

[milku3459]

tfw you are the biggest better on a match

[musketeer925]

@Goodspeed pls gift 250 pts to @zoom

Posting this just prior to jerimuno vs kokiloki game. :)

[gh0st]

hey @Goodspeed i would like to donate 500 pts to @zoom.
Although might regret that later.

[Goodspeed]

Probably will.

[aqwer]

@Goodspeed: distribute my points to whom you want. Keep up the good work.

[Goodspeed]

Sorry @aqwer I talked to richard and it was clear he was not trying his best to win the series. Case in point: he didn't pick his best (arguably his only) civ. In a competitive event, one should be able to assume that the players will try their best to win, especially when betting is involved. When there is reasonable doubt about a player's effort to win a series, bets are cancelled. This has happened before and will happen again. I am sad though because your win would've been record-breaking.
Your strategy is still likely to pay off in future series. It would be a shame if you gave up over this.

[zoom]

Mom!! Garja!! Goodspeed ruined betting again!

[zoom]

@Goodspeed: distribute my points to whom you want. Keep up the good work.

If you watch the games, it is likely you'll understand.

[Hidddy_]

Goodspeed please don't use the best civ thing as an excuse. Who would 500 food all in vs ports on indonesia? or against cm dutch going age 3? Plus Rich knows I'll just mm his 3 forward bh vils again like i've done before, causing him to instant resign. He was definitely trying, since we've played before in the past. Also his mismacro doesn't mean he threw on purpose, maybe he's not used to playing the heaviest coin civ in the game because he plays the heaviest food civ in the game. Also maybe he mismacroed bc we were fighting in midmap from the second we hit fortress.

PS: dont mean to flame, but i thought out my map and civ choices a lot in preparation for the series cause i know rich 100% russia's so i didnt even want to give him the chance to russia against me

[musketeer925]

As someone who lost quite a few points on the match, I really don't think it should have been cancelled, unless there is additional information I don't know (i.e., richard admitting to throwing the match).

I can totally see that someone adequately preparing could have made a big upset in this situation -- it's pretty easy to prepare very well against a player who plays one strategy with one civ, and I can see richard knowing that and preparing a few other civs for the games -- and then losing out because he really wasn't able to adapt that well. The food mismacro is totally believable as @Hidddy_ explained.

I think a better solution to the problem here would be re-seeding a small amount of points to people who have run out due to mis-calling the match (because it's no fun if there are only a few of us left).

[zoom]

7000f unspent at such a casual point in the game for a pr28 player is not believable one bit. Nor is adding 50 Skirmishers to your pure-Skirmisher army only to then add Falconets. I may be an idiot, but I am not that naive. Game one is the exact same deal; pure 50 Pikeman army deleted to minutemen along with two Falconets, while stacking 5000 food. Furthermore, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have used Russians in either game if he were intent on winning. Do you realize whom we are talking about, here??

[Hidddy_]

Well people will have to think twice now when placing their bets for my games against mitoe

[Kaiserklein]

I'm not sure about the context and I didn't watch the series, but that guy plays full russia, and in these early rounds it's bo3 so he could go russia twice and win 2-1 at least, so he probably wasn't trying to win yeah

[Hidddy_]

7000f unspent at such a casual point in the game for a pr28 player is not believable one bit. Nor is adding 50 Skirmishers to your pure-Skirmisher army only to then add Falconets. I may be an idiot, but I am not that naive. Game one is the exact same deal; pure 50 Pikeman army deleted to minutemen along with two Falconets, while stacking 5000 food. Furthermore, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have used Russians in either game if he were intent on winning. Do you realize whom we are talking about, here??

He only plays Russia so saying pr28 is a stretch here as he didnt play Russia. If he just Russia 500f all in me like he always does then it wouldve been over sooner. How could his Russia play have worked vs two tc cm? or vs 4 bank cm into fortress age?

[Gendarme]

tfw not playing Russia raises more suspicion than right-clicking TC against popped CM losing everything while opponent has a second TC anyway

[gh0st]

@Hidddy_ @musketeer925

I talked to richard and it was clear he was not trying his best to win the series.

guys i think this should be enough of a reason to cancel this. what that basically mean is throwing.

@Hidddy_ no one's questioning your skill, you played well man.

[Hidddy_]

@Hidddy_ @musketeer925

I talked to richard and it was clear he was not trying his best to win the series.

guys i think this should be enough of a reason to cancel this. what that basically mean is throwing.

@Hidddy_ no one's questioning your skill, you played well man.

I'm not saying people are questioning my skill...I'm saying people don't know about me and rich cause we've played before in the past. I've beat him by the 4 minute mark when he was russia...why would he russia/rush against me? Especially since Indonesia starts with extra gold i could've used for mm to kill his forward vils(everyone knows he forward bhs every game). But w.e. doesn't mean much to me since i dont participate in betting, it feels worse thinking rich would just throw against me cause we have had plenty of games before and he never did something disrespectful like that

[musketeer925]

@Hidddy_ @musketeer925

I talked to richard and it was clear he was not trying his best to win the series.

guys i think this should be enough of a reason to cancel this. what that basically mean is throwing.

@Hidddy_ no one's questioning your skill, you played well man.

Oh I totally missed that part of the post. ty

[tedere12]

lets just say he was doing his best to lose the 2nd game and yet he was ahead for almost the whole game

[zoom]

7000f unspent at such a casual point in the game for a pr28 player is not believable one bit. Nor is adding 50 Skirmishers to your pure-Skirmisher army only to then add Falconets. I may be an idiot, but I am not that naive. Game one is the exact same deal; pure 50 Pikeman army deleted to minutemen along with two Falconets, while stacking 5000 food. Furthermore, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have used Russians in either game if he were intent on winning. Do you realize whom we are talking about, here??

He only plays Russia so saying pr28 is a stretch here as he didnt play Russia. If he just Russia 500f all in me like he always does then it wouldve been over sooner. How could his Russia play have worked vs two tc cm? or vs 4 bank cm into fortress age?

That's exactly my fucking point; he didn't play Russians, despite being far better with the civilization. Russians would have been a good pick against Dutch on Crescent, for your information.

[zoom]

lets just say he was doing his best to lose the 2nd game and yet he was ahead for almost the whole game

Precisely. That's how much better he is.

[Hidddy_]

7000f unspent at such a casual point in the game for a pr28 player is not believable one bit. Nor is adding 50 Skirmishers to your pure-Skirmisher army only to then add Falconets. I may be an idiot, but I am not that naive. Game one is the exact same deal; pure 50 Pikeman army deleted to minutemen along with two Falconets, while stacking 5000 food. Furthermore, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have used Russians in either game if he were intent on winning. Do you realize whom we are talking about, here??

He only plays Russia so saying pr28 is a stretch here as he didnt play Russia. If he just Russia 500f all in me like he always does then it wouldve been over sooner. How could his Russia play have worked vs two tc cm? or vs 4 bank cm into fortress age?

That's exactly my fucking point; he didn't play Russians, despite being far better with the civilization. Russians would have been a good pick against Dutch on Crescent, for your information.

You'd know why he didn't play russians if you read my earlier posts. I picked dutch on crescent cause if he mirrors it he has a chance to win, if he didn't mirror and went for russians he'd have a hard time against cm and my banks. Ok last post for real this time, plus you seem salty so no sense in continuing the discussion.

[sebnan12]

its a shame that u pace someones win down by saying his opponent didnt give his best lol..thats very motivating! not!! how lame is that. so when real madrid loses vs a worse team they didnt give their best and bettings from everyone get reverted.. how big of a joke is that. if u put a game on ur betting list u gotta pay out everyone. i can fully understand @aqwer .
such a shame really..