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Italy Garja
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04 Dec 2018, 13:57

Omg why the lighting with the longest possible shadows. it's a mess.
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04 Dec 2018, 14:10

Also why isn't the map circular
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France Kaiserklein
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04 Dec 2018, 15:01

Because it's christmas design. And you're not supposed to run on bottom or top of the map anyway
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04 Dec 2018, 15:44

You are supposed to pick w/e angle you prefer, including intentional flank moves. As for Christmas I understand the snow but you could not pick the worse lighting.
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04 Dec 2018, 15:53

The point of ttm is to outmicro your opponent, not to try to surprise him by coming from a cheesy angle. There's still easily enough space to maneuver your units.

I didn't pick any lightning, I just used a snow terrain. Idk if that also affected the lightning somehow. If it's really a problem I can try to change it, even though I personally think it doesn't matter.
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LoOk_tOm: I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..

iamturk:
well I have better mechanics than you
tbh tower rush is a good strat
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04 Dec 2018, 16:56

It's a problem, kinda. Prob less of a problem if you use the lowest graphics possible. Pick a normal lighintg like "default".

As for the angle thing, I do think coming from a cheesy angle is totally part of micro, especially since every other realistic element is already excluded from the scenario.
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04 Dec 2018, 18:14

Kaiserklein wrote:The point of ttm is to outmicro your opponent, not to try to surprise him by coming from a cheesy angle.

rip my strat
steniothejonjoe wrote:I can micro better than 99% of the player base and that's 100% objective
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04 Dec 2018, 18:57

Besides it is not cheesy at all. What is cheesy os fighting left vs right every.time
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04 Dec 2018, 21:33

lol calling flanking cheesy in TTM
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05 Dec 2018, 01:06

Lol I've seen people bring their ronins all the way around your army so that they come from behind you and hopefully you get surprised/trapped. Imo this kind of stuff is not micro and has no reason to be in a ttm.
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LoOk_tOm: I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..

iamturk:
well I have better mechanics than you
tbh tower rush is a good strat
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05 Dec 2018, 01:18

Garja wrote:It's a problem, kinda. Prob less of a problem if you use the lowest graphics possible. Pick a normal lighintg like "default".

When I pick the default lightning it's like super, super bright
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LoOk_tOm: I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..

iamturk:
well I have better mechanics than you
tbh tower rush is a good strat
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05 Dec 2018, 02:02

I've tested the map, but it doesn't feel like a time to micro. The rivers limit the movement of the troops quite a bit --> No surprise factor, it's rly only micro now. I switched to the minimized UI because of ttm.
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05 Dec 2018, 02:13

"it's only micro now"... well yeah it's time to micro :S
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LoOk_tOm: I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..

iamturk:
well I have better mechanics than you
tbh tower rush is a good strat
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05 Dec 2018, 02:23

Kaiserklein wrote:Lol I've seen people bring their ronins all the way around your army so that they come from behind you and hopefully you get surprised/trapped. Imo this kind of stuff is not micro and has no reason to be in a ttm.

it's unit positioning which is part of micro
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05 Dec 2018, 02:25

Kaiserklein wrote:"it's only micro now"... well yeah it's time to micro :S


Time to line battle - just saying ;)
If you can anticipate the cav charge it makes it less interesting, that is my main point, but it's your tournament.
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05 Dec 2018, 02:32

Kaiserklein wrote:
Garja wrote:It's a problem, kinda. Prob less of a problem if you use the lowest graphics possible. Pick a normal lighintg like "default".

When I pick the default lightning it's like super, super bright

Ye that's the problem with snow terrains. I would still prefer default lighiting over long ass shadow ligthing, but anyway try yukon or great lakes winter.
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05 Dec 2018, 02:35

I did put great lakes winter lightning already. Looks fine now I think

About the map shape, I personally don't care that much honestly, if everyone wants me to remove the rivers I can do that. I just designed it like this cause I was asked to do a christmas design. That and I personally think that running around the map isn't the point of ttm.
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LoOk_tOm: I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..

iamturk:
well I have better mechanics than you
tbh tower rush is a good strat
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05 Dec 2018, 18:30

It's coming home!
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05 Dec 2018, 19:57

I think unit positioning which includes flanking, trapping and splitting should absolutely be considered as a part of micro
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05 Dec 2018, 22:48

I don't understand how trying to use the fog of war to surprise your opponent is part of micro. Besides it's not unit positioning
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LoOk_tOm: I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..

iamturk:
well I have better mechanics than you
tbh tower rush is a good strat
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06 Dec 2018, 00:06

It is because you can't anticipate the position and you have to adapt on the fly. Also it is a mere fact of microing in different directions. And last but not least, circular map just makes for different dynamic when you're trying to hit and run with your last units.
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06 Dec 2018, 00:14

I can agree with the hit and running argument. However I really don't get the point of coming with a weird angle. If both players do that, it's just hide and seek lol, and when players find each other one might just get lucky with a better angle or some free kills
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LoOk_tOm: I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..

iamturk:
well I have better mechanics than you
tbh tower rush is a good strat
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06 Dec 2018, 00:39

Let it be hide and seek if someone wants to. Also adaptation is a skill. It's too easy to know exactly where the opponent is coming from. Also it is a skill having good mouse tracking in all directions, not just left-right.
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07 Dec 2018, 02:19

From the few times I've played ttm, my experience is that it's all about understanding the trick for each comp. Either that or keeping the longest range unit alive
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07 Dec 2018, 04:08

IAmSoldieR wrote:Understanding the trick for each comp.

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