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October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
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Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
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Not sure what you want thentoriancarconn wrote:yeah, I figured that much.
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
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Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
Good question. I think I want more cookie crumble in ice cream, and a little bit more kindness on this forum.Kaiserklein wrote:Not sure what you want thentoriancarconn wrote:yeah, I figured that much.
You're a character, I give you that.
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Ofcourse they will pick the highest seeding players, like seriously lol? That's surely unfortunate that dia didn't play the 2nd series but doesn't validate your point for not being accepted in the top seeding, that's not about "closed esoc group" propaganda. For example I was in the same team with kaiser while we both can't along very well, that's just how the tourney meant to work. You are just spreading lies up here for no reason.look wrote:meanwhile i got kicked..
Anyway i will not subscrive for future small/days tourneys here
while there is a closed group of esoc players.
Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
Yeah, nobody got kicked lol. They just picked whoever the 2 captains thought was best.
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Well, they missed out imo. You should have seen the things I did to the Extreme AI last night.
I think I heard somewhere that there were some captain/lower level tourneys that have been held in the past which sounded good.
I don't know who everyone is (new here) but as a newcomer I did expect good players to be represented in this particular tourney.
Oh also, I'm only just working my way through the rest of the vods after watching the event live and I really liked your commentary too @Riotcoke
I think I heard somewhere that there were some captain/lower level tourneys that have been held in the past which sounded good.
I don't know who everyone is (new here) but as a newcomer I did expect good players to be represented in this particular tourney.
Oh also, I'm only just working my way through the rest of the vods after watching the event live and I really liked your commentary too @Riotcoke
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Ye all 12 minutes of it
And yea there's some like lt - major tournies that will probably be hosted @Cometk & @Black_Duck have hosted two already.
And yea there's some like lt - major tournies that will probably be hosted @Cometk & @Black_Duck have hosted two already.
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Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
Host low lvl tours more than this high lvl cry party tours ngl.
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Yeah and get 5 times less viewers and donations because people want to watch high level play
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
Many casuals don't even notice a difference between high and low level play. They just want to see stuff explode. I won't disagree that higher level play pulls in more viewers though.Kaiserklein wrote:Yeah and get 5 times less viewers and donations because people want to watch high level play
Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
Is your gameplay really worth to be casted by legendary Interjection & _H20 ??? if it is.... then if you cry its okay
If diarouga did not wish to play then he should have forfeited ...... rather than being honest and then validating it with some other reasons
diarouga should have played the second Bo3......i mean what worst could have happen....2-0 to kaiser.....no big deal... everyone loses to Kaiser....except me(lol)
I enjoyed this series but sadly i could watch only 1st two matches
* I actually closed the twitch app initially when casters said they are going to run a recorded game....
If diarouga did not wish to play then he should have forfeited ...... rather than being honest and then validating it with some other reasons
diarouga should have played the second Bo3......i mean what worst could have happen....2-0 to kaiser.....no big deal... everyone loses to Kaiser....except me(lol)
I enjoyed this series but sadly i could watch only 1st two matches
* I actually closed the twitch app initially when casters said they are going to run a recorded game....
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Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
Because the live spectator one doesn't work properly.pasha wrote:
* I actually closed the twitch app initially when casters said they are going to run a recorded game....
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Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
You should check how many more views the ESOC youtube videos get when they're featuring top players, compared to random players. It really is 5x sometimes.aaryngend wrote:Many casuals don't even notice a difference between high and low level play. They just want to see stuff explode. I won't disagree that higher level play pulls in more viewers though.Kaiserklein wrote:Yeah and get 5 times less viewers and donations because people want to watch high level play
In fact I think the casuals you mention mostly just don't really watch streams. Those who do kinda know the top players, and enjoy watching them. At least that's what I imagine, since I used to get pm'd basically every time I logged on ESO by random sergeants
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
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good thing they removed the messaging LOL
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
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Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
I believe as with many other things Pareto's principle applies: 80% of the overall views are because of the 20% top players. I assume in our case it is much less than 20%.aaryngend wrote:Many casuals don't even notice a difference between high and low level play. They just want to see stuff explode. I won't disagree that higher level play pulls in more viewers though.Kaiserklein wrote:Yeah and get 5 times less viewers and donations because people want to watch high level play
For myself, as a casual viewer, there's just about a handful of top players whose matches I'd want to watch more or less regularly + there are a few people I'm inclined to watch because I have some kind of connection with them, e.g. through chats in different Discord channels. What does impact my choice, too, significantly, are the commentators, e.g. a duo such as Interjection & H2O, for me, is capable of converting a regular match into a remarkable one.
Then there are those other videos of matches that are not top level competitive ones, e.g. content created by Samurai Revolution which I enjoy a lot, too.
Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
Maybe that's the trickle down effect? Knowledgeable people are inclined to wach higher level play, higher ranked players make the Ro16, semi-finals and finals more often so they get more views (be it a livestream or a VOD on Youtube) and casuals take the viewer numbers as a guidance on what to watch. 'Finals' always sounds better than 'Ro64'.Kaiserklein wrote:You should check how many more views the ESOC youtube videos get when they're featuring top players, compared to random players. It really is 5x sometimes.aaryngend wrote:Many casuals don't even notice a difference between high and low level play. They just want to see stuff explode. I won't disagree that higher level play pulls in more viewers though.Kaiserklein wrote:Yeah and get 5 times less viewers and donations because people want to watch high level play
In fact I think the casuals you mention mostly just don't really watch streams. Those who do kinda know the top players, and enjoy watching them. At least that's what I imagine, since I used to get pm'd basically every time I logged on ESO by random sergeants
My bet is that if all names were X'd out and if there was no indication on what round in the tourney is being played right now, viewership would average out among all VODs.
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Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
I doubt it. When I was a beginner, I wanted to watch every game featuring H2O and bsop. I'd guess it's the same now.
Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
A beginner doesn't know the difference between Water, an Eagle or a Black Star.[Armag] diarouga wrote:I doubt it. When I was a beginner, I wanted to watch every game featuring H2O and bsop. I'd guess it's the same now.
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Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
A beginner doesn't, which is why Samurai Revolution is so successful.
Most of the people who watch tournaments do however.
Most of the people who watch tournaments do however.
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Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
Even showmatches or first person gameplay featuring a big name will get more viewers than a semi final featuring less famous high level playersaaryngend wrote:Maybe that's the trickle down effect? Knowledgeable people are inclined to wach higher level play, higher ranked players make the Ro16, semi-finals and finals more often so they get more views (be it a livestream or a VOD on Youtube) and casuals take the viewer numbers as a guidance on what to watch. 'Finals' always sounds better than 'Ro64'.
My bet is that if all names were X'd out and if there was no indication on what round in the tourney is being played right now, viewership would average out among all VODs.
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Re: October 18th at 14:00 GMT - AoE3:DE Draft League!
Absolutely. This happens in all kinds of areas. It's the top of the crop that significantly moves the needle. And it's always hard to get into this group and particularly to stay there.Kaiserklein wrote:Even showmatches or first person gameplay featuring a big name will get more viewers than a semi final featuring less famous high level playersaaryngend wrote:Maybe that's the trickle down effect? Knowledgeable people are inclined to wach higher level play, higher ranked players make the Ro16, semi-finals and finals more often so they get more views (be it a livestream or a VOD on Youtube) and casuals take the viewer numbers as a guidance on what to watch. 'Finals' always sounds better than 'Ro64'.
My bet is that if all names were X'd out and if there was no indication on what round in the tourney is being played right now, viewership would average out among all VODs.
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