While my team has accepted that we lost our series and are looking forward to competing for the third place match, we want to clarify some things that are inaccurate in your post.
JaiLeD wrote:gibson wrote:very unfare how kaisters team was treated TBH
First of all, note that while Antz, Tad, and Amm are committee members, none of them had any vote or official say in any decision during this whole ordeal.
Seems pretty clear that antz (and tad) were a big part of the discussion and influencing the decision making process from the committee.
Plus, if antz, tad, and amm had no vote or official say,
all of them should not have had access to the discord conversation thread, period. Why were they included then? Why were they able to read the other committee member's thoughts and make comments, which may directly or indirectly influence the decisions of other committee members?
Then there's this other issue where antz is a member of the royal clan. What reassurance is there for our team that the committee was impartial and did not give him favorable treatment, even if only slightly? If the situations were reversed would antz's team have been punished equally harshly?
I'm not accusing anyone of playing favorites here, my point is that our team has no way of knowing if antz's team would have been punished the same in a reverse situation due to this not being set in stone in the rules beforehand.
JaiLeD wrote:
Kaister's whole team, and Antz's whole team agreed to the time slot and what time they were playing.
Kaister had 3 players on his team, Antz *had* 3 players on his team. They had a 2 hour window to play their match. Knarloc showed up 45 minutes late, Kaister showed up 1h 10m late, Amm showed up 2 hours late.
No arguments here, we agreed to this time, and we were late.
I apologize again to antz and his team, and my team and I did apologize multiple times. I just wanted to clarify that it wasn't malicious and we weren't late on purpose or because we didn't care about our games, both Kaister and I forgot it was daylight savings time that morning and we didn't move our clocks an hour so that's why we were an hour late. Amm thought it was 10 PM, not AM (lol), no comments there.
JaiLeD wrote:
30 minutes into no one showing up from Kaister's team the committee needed to make a decision on what to do about it because this was the only time slot both teams agreed on, and were able to make for that whole week. The committee decided to postpone the automatic disqualification, and instead decided to give the first game to Antz's team, and wait for Kaister's team a bit longer.
1hour 30 minutes into Kaister's team not showing up Herbiemaster (a player from Antz's team) had to bow out as he was unable to play possible full games at that point.
2 hours after the scheduled time Amm showed up. At this point Antz's team was down a top of the second round player and by all fairness it could have been an automatic disqualification for Kaister's team.
2 hours 10 minutes past the scheduled time, Kaister's team was ok with Tad subbing in for Herbiemaster, and Antz's team was fine with him subbing in also. The committee voted on what exactly to do about penalizing Kaister's team or not. All committee members available voted, note as stated previously that Antz, Tad, and Amm did not have a vote. The vote was 5-1 in favor of Kaister's team and Antz's team playing, but giving a 1-0 game advantage to Antz. Both teams agreed to this.
Saying our team was ok with Tad subbing in for Herbie is misleading at best and an outright lie at worst. If you put a gun to someone's head and saying you must agree to this or we will shoot you, does this mean the person in this case is actually agreeing? The gun in this case is a metaphor for threats of instant disqualification of our team. See below where Tad said take it or leave it and saying that our team would be instantly DQ'd if we didn't accept Tad as a sub. Again, here I'm not arguing that our team should not have been punished at all, I'm just saying that your comment that we "agreed" to this is disingeuous.
Also, why is a
captain of another team subbing in for a first round pick of a different team? This isn't a good look and seems inappropriate. Besides didn't you say that Tad had no say in the decision making process here? Seems pretty clear from the screenshot above that he has a massive say to me. In addition, see another screen shot below where another member said that he's "fine with putting the power mostly in antz's hand here". Seems like a conflict of interest, where a captain of a team has the power to decide the appropriate punishment for the opposing team.
JaiLeD wrote:
Going into the future of this tournament we will handle all no-shows the same way we handled this one. For future tournaments we will have much more specified rules on what happens to players not showing up to matches.
It's good that the rules are clear now and consistency will try to be maintained going forward.
However, I have heard that other teams were substantially late to their matches. I don't know how true this is,
but if this is indeed true, were they penalized a game for showing up late?
If this is true, adding or changing rules midway through the tournament is a unfair and unjust punishment for our team. In this case, our team should be treated the same as the other teams and allowed to play (possibly rescheduling due to Herbie being unavailable) without losing a game automatically or having a captain sub in for a first round pick.
Update: I have been informed that tad's team was apparently late for their match with zanerre? Is this true? If so, how late and was his team punished at all?
Why was rescheduling, perhaps with other more minor punishments like map choice, etc. not considered? If it was because the deadline was that weekend,
keep in mind that due to herbie's schedule they were only able to play at specific times and only during a weekend. Our team was available during the entire week but we decided to accommodate his schedule by agreeing to play on the weekend, which was right before the deadline. Then this was used against us, with people from the committee accusing our team of putting this off to the last minute, despite the fact we were available to play at any other time.
JaiLeD wrote:
No one, and yes I do mean no one wanted this to go down this way. Antz's team would rather have played as a team, and would have rather played with no given advantage to either side. Antz said after the match "Ya, it was a disaster I hope that we can avoid in the future. I don't think anyone wins in situations like that. I certainly would have preferred a normal series...with people showing up at the agreed upon time." Kaister and his team I'm sure would have preferred to show up on time and not to have had all this commotion. The committee and tournament as a whole would have much preferred for things to go smoothly and had a good series, along with some expected great games to cast.
Hopefully this transparency will help clarify some of the issues. If there are any more questions please feel free to message me and I'll be happy to discuss them.
Agreed on all counts here.