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The ESOC SPRING CHAMPIONSHIPS 2025!
The meta’s been changing and new heroes are rising to the top. We’re opening up this event to all civilisations, all strategies, a total supremacy tournament! Watch as a new king claims his crown or as a veteran vanquishes his vilifiers, always live, always free on ESOCTV Twitch!

Prize Pool: For our first event of the year a sizeable $1,000 is waiting in the New World!

Tournament Schedule: Matches will be played between March 31st - May 11th. Sign up details below.

Event Rules: All details are found Here. If you have any further questions please contact the tournament admins in ESOC's Official Discord !

Sign-Ups: Enter the event before Friday March 28th.You may sign up using the tournament center in MyESOC (Login to your ESOC Profile and then find the top right corner of your profile name and then select MyESOC).

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Thanks for your continued support!
The ESOC Team.

Probably in the minority here but glad to see the tourney isn’t legacy civs only.

Who are the favorites to win this tournament?

Exactly we need!

I hope Baja revolt gets banned

keep the tradition going boys

I think allowing all these revolts is a huge mistake

I predict an average of 1,5 Baja´s per series

iNcog wrote: ↑

11 Mar 2025, 00:25

Who are the favorites to win this tournament?

@Dennis234 @steppenwolf @Paul312 imo tbh ngl

On the survey I've asked to all 2024 tourney participants, none of them complained about that specific revolt (or general balance issues). hence no restrictions

Guigs wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2025, 21:42

On the survey I've asked to all 2024 tourney participants, none of them complained about that specific revolt (or general balance issues). hence no restrictions

Well, Baja is basically impossible to beat and you can do a survey for that here to see:)

Joshua667746 wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 23:42

But wait, there’s more! We think that watching your favourite players and casters should be possible anywhere! All streams going forward will be simulcast on Twitch & YouTube for your convenience! Missed it live? You can also now find full broadcast VODs in the LIVE Tab of YouTube instantly after each stream. No more waiting for an upload!

Love this!

Guigs wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2025, 21:42

On the survey I've asked to all 2024 tourney participants, none of them complained about that specific revolt (or general balance issues). hence no restrictions

xD what is that for an argument ? When that survey got shared Baja wasnt even on the table and everyone was crying about that they gave up the game....

We even got public advertisement from Microsoft, please do a proper tournament.

Imagine that this comes 10 years after the legendary _H2O vs. BlackStar_OP finals.

moonshine wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2025, 15:54

Guigs wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2025, 21:42

On the survey I've asked to all 2024 tourney participants, none of them complained about that specific revolt (or general balance issues). hence no restrictions

xD what is that for an argument ? When that survey got shared Baja wasnt even on the table and everyone was crying about that they gave up the game....

We even got public advertisement from Microsoft, please do a proper tournament.

It's not an argument, just the main reason why they aren't any restriction (so far)

That revolt looks pretty strong but it's fun to watch in a game.

Hopefully there will be good numbers with this Microsoft mini-promo.

https://www.twitch.tv/callenapexlegends ... LjPis9XTtA

https://www.twitch.tv/callenapexlegends ... uyBDeMOznq

that said, maybe baja mirrors on the op maps would be funnu

well personnally i won't participe if baja is allowed tbh ngl

this should be fun, regardless of bans and whatnot. appreciate the effort u guys put in to host this.

Facing Baja over and over on ladder is boring but I don't think allowing it (or other supposedly OP strats) in a tourney is that problematic. Play it yourself then if you think it's a free win. Most viewers don't seem to want banned stuff and what are tournies without viewers?
Also historically players seem to prefer their go-to civs over the assumed best picks for each map, I personally wouldn't Baja if I've not practised it even if it's the best choice on paper.

Also it's one civ per series

tabben wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2025, 18:20

Facing Baja over and over on ladder is boring but I don't think allowing it (or other supposedly OP strats) in a tourney is that problematic. Play it yourself then if you think it's a free win. Most viewers don't seem to want banned stuff and what are tournies without viewers?
Also historically players seem to prefer their go-to civs over the assumed best picks for each map, I personally wouldn't Baja if I've not practised it even if it's the best choice on paper.

as a viewer i don't want either to watch automatically a baja game on a specific map and wathing it winning every single game

Oh well gl to all, the 2nd tourney i can't participe because of the rule lol

kevinitalien wrote: ↑

16 Mar 2025, 07:17

as a viewer i don't want either to watch automatically a baja game on a specific map and wathing it winning every single game

Oh well gl to all, the 2nd tourney i can't participe because of the rule lol

Sounds like a you problem ngl, can never have tourney rules that satisfy viewers + every active player..

How do we even decide what civs/strats are to be banned? There'll be a ton of personal bias, some will argue USA chinese immigrants is just as OP on high tp maps - should we ban that too then? Oh let's ban 4 Jaguar BB in age2 as well! And is it fair to announce such bans 2 weeks before matches begin? That would be a huge disadvantage for someone who practised those strats last months. Also what if your average viewer who doesn't grind the ladder at 2k+ ELO wants to see the most broken stuff showcased? How much should player opinion matter if they're not funding the majority of the prize pool? Some tricky questions that need to be raised..

I think we should learn from Soldier's showmatch this year - add two skilled players & varied maps (viewer picked), a sizeable prize pool and you'll get fantastic games + lots of viewers. The Baja game that series was super hype and if you don't like it it's just once per player/series in the end. And again, many players will pick civs in their comfort zone over the best pick on paper.

tabben wrote: ↑

16 Mar 2025, 11:08

kevinitalien wrote: ↑

16 Mar 2025, 07:17

as a viewer i don't want either to watch automatically a baja game on a specific map and wathing it winning every single game

Oh well gl to all, the 2nd tourney i can't participe because of the rule lol

Sounds like a you problem ngl, can never have tourney rules that satisfy viewers + every active player..

How do we even decide what civs/strats are to be banned? There'll be a ton of personal bias, some will argue USA chinese immigrants is just as OP on high tp maps - should we ban that too then? Oh let's ban 4 Jaguar BB in age2 as well! And is it fair to announce such bans 2 weeks before matches begin? That would be a huge disadvantage for someone who practised those strats last months. Also what if your average viewer who doesn't grind the ladder at 2k+ ELO wants to see the most broken stuff showcased? How much should player opinion matter if they're not funding the majority of the prize pool? Some tricky questions that need to be raised..

I think we should learn from Soldier's showmatch this year - add two skilled players & varied maps (viewer picked), a sizeable prize pool and you'll get fantastic games + lots of viewers. The Baja game that series was super hype and if you don't like it it's just once per player/series in the end. And again, many players will pick civs in their comfort zone over the best pick on paper.

in a sense ur right, but here its just baja nothing else, im not personnally asking for anything else, that strat recquire nothing and you know it tabben, i mean how many time we've seen strong players losing to shitters just because of baja unkillable units, taking ur exemple usa and aztecs atleast you have play the game and better players still win the game, you make vills make building you have an economy, you play an RTS, can we say the same about baja ?
All baja do is putting tps on coin and training unkillable units with skirm throwing bomb and goons killing skirms like wtf is this, its not fair
You say players will pick confortable picks but no, well really i hope so but i don't think its going to be the case, we'll see 2 baja games/serie with a chat saying " baja very fair " or " baja is retarded " in front of 300 viewers, very nice

Really im glad we have DLC civs allowed and no bans, but baja must be banned nothing else and this is a huge mistake for me to not ban baja, this is not RTS and not competitive at all and its not only my problem as we saw in the previous comments or looking at who's signed up

So yes in a part its my problem ofc and i'll don't sign up for sure if baja is in, but its not only players, viewers too, and yes viewers want to see the best players playing with the best strats, but im not sure viewers want to see 1700 elo baja players winning the best players, that said i really hope its not going to be the case obviously