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23 Oct 2015, 07:14

hazza54321 wrote:
subzero wrote:I thought it would be nicer if we had 5 mames for Ports and Spain only, not Ottos. Ports are shit without mames.
why should spain get mams? Despite being a "bad" civ, people still have problems playing vs spain
Yeah, I agree. But still Spain is a low tier civ despite being scary.

Atleast give them jaeger shipment?
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23 Oct 2015, 07:15

subzero wrote:
hazza54321 wrote: why should spain get mams? Despite being a "bad" civ, people still have problems playing vs spain
Yeah, I agree. But still Spain is a low tier civ despite being scary.

Atleast give them jaeger shipment?

i think they need an 8 skirm shipment 1kg and just better shipments overall, 3 lancers, 6 rods lol
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23 Oct 2015, 07:16

8skirm would make them a new and better france.
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23 Oct 2015, 07:17

Spain with mams would be absolutely insane... Falc timing and then mam timing like otto xD
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23 Oct 2015, 07:36

When is patch coming :(
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23 Oct 2015, 11:20

hazza54321 wrote:
subzero wrote:Yeah, I agree. But still Spain is a low tier civ despite being scary.

Atleast give them jaeger shipment?
i think they need an 8 skirm shipment 1kg and just better shipments overall, 3 lancers, 6 rods lol

You have to keep the design which ES did when they first made the civs in mind. Spain is designed to have no ranged infantry shipments. If you would give them 8 skirm they would just become another France and lose their originality.
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23 Oct 2015, 11:24

bramboy wrote:
hazza54321 wrote: i think they need an 8 skirm shipment 1kg and just better shipments overall, 3 lancers, 6 rods lol
You have to keep the design which ES did when they first made the civs in mind. Spain is designed to have no ranged infantry shipments. If you would give them 8 skirm they would just become another France and lose their originality.

true, but they definitely need better shipments considering its their civ bonus
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23 Oct 2015, 11:36

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23 Oct 2015, 12:49

everyone saying that Spain is good, but no one playing with spain, lol is ironic, clearly needs improvement, because nobody plays with Spain. no better proof than this !!
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23 Oct 2015, 13:34

88baronrojo88 wrote:everyone saying that Spain is good, but no one playing with spain, lol is ironic, clearly needs improvement, because nobody plays with Spain. no better proof than this !!

no one thinks that spain is a good civ, its just that it would be very easy to overboost if you are trying to balance it while keeping its originality
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23 Oct 2015, 14:31

Okay. That's what I would love to see in Spain-

1)10 xbow or 8 skirm age up/6 huss age up
2)Free veteran upgrade for Rodeleros.
3)Give lancer 4x vs infantry as their original multiplier, and remove the card which does the same.
4)10 Rods and 9 Rods instead of 8 rods and 7 rods. Also give them 7 rods instead of 6 in age 2.
5)11 highlanders instead of 9.
6)+1 wood crate.
7)Free gangsaw and great coats.
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23 Oct 2015, 14:33

subzero wrote:Okay. That''s what I would love to see in Spain-

1)10 xbow or 8 skirm age up/6 huss age up
2)Free veteran upgrade for Rodeleros.
3)Give lancer 4x vs infantry as their original multiplier, and remove the card which does the same.
4)10 Rods and 9 Rods instead of 8 rods and 7 rods. Also give them 7 rods instead of 6 in age 2.
5)11 highlanders instead of 9.
6)+1 wood crate.
7)Free gangsaw and great coats.

if you did that spain would be better than iro
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23 Oct 2015, 14:33

subzero wrote:Okay. That''s what I would love to see in Spain-



1)10 xbow or 8 skirm age up/6 huss age up

2)Free veteran upgrade for Rodeleros.

3)Give lancer 4x vs infantry as their original multiplier, and remove the card which does the same.

4)10 Rods and 9 Rods instead of 8 rods and 7 rods. Also give them 7 rods instead of 6 in age 2.

5)11 highlanders instead of 9.

6)+1 wood crate.

7)Free gangsaw and great coats.


no
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23 Oct 2015, 14:34

Isn't spain very good in nilla? Why not mix the TAD and the Nilla version to make it a mediocre civ while still maintaining it's originality?
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23 Oct 2015, 14:41

Lol, even 2 of those changes would make spain op.
@Wuangaga And that's exactly what we did, same for dutch, we're not totally retarded you know.
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23 Oct 2015, 14:41

Really?
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23 Oct 2015, 15:18

You guys do know that Spain is not all that different from what it was on 'Nilla, except for a few shipment nerfs... if you let it have those back, plus other stuff, it will be OP. IMO Spain is kinda in the same place India was in like 2010, nobody knows how to play them. Probably could use 1k coin but other than that...
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23 Oct 2015, 15:23

forgrin wrote:You guys do know that Spain is not all that different from what it was on ''Nilla, except for a few shipment nerfs... if you let it have those back, plus other stuff, it will be OP. IMO Spain is kinda in the same place India was in like 2010, nobody knows how to play them. Probably could use 1k coin but other than that...
Shipment nerfs + lower xp rate which was a huge thing, but if you read my post and diarougas answer carefully you can see that spain won''t get op.
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23 Oct 2015, 15:31

On nilla rod have more attack, skims can kill cav, your shipments are better, your dogs are better and you get your shipments faster.
It doesn't seem much but all that combined will slow your timing or fk your timing.
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23 Oct 2015, 15:44

diarouga wrote:On nilla rod have more attack, skims can kill cav, your shipments are better, your dogs are better and you get your shipments faster.
It doesn''t seem much but all that combined will slow your timing or fk your timing.


Wait... Spain is getting changed too? Now I''m confused. And yeah, good points, I never played much nilla so didn''t realise all the small nerfs.
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23 Oct 2015, 16:59

diarouga wrote:Lol, even 2 of those changes would make spain op.
@Wuangaga And that''s exactly what we did, same for dutch, we''re not totally retarded you know.

have you considered that he was just suggesting possible changes that he thinks are good?
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23 Oct 2015, 17:00

lol everyone talking about shipments , is right spain shipments and politicians options are mediocre especially in 3th age , but ... SPAIN NEED MORE ECO , SPAIN ECO IS RIDICOLOUS . not you agree with me? :D this is evident for example in team games.
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23 Oct 2015, 17:03

subzero wrote:Okay. That''s what I would love to see in Spain-

1)10 xbow or 8 skirm age up/6 huss age up
2)Free veteran upgrade for Rodeleros.
3)Give lancer 4x vs infantry as their original multiplier, and remove the card which does the same.
4)10 Rods and 9 Rods instead of 8 rods and 7 rods. Also give them 7 rods instead of 6 in age 2.
5)11 highlanders instead of 9.
6)+1 wood crate.
7)Free gangsaw and great coats.
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23 Oct 2015, 17:11

88baronrojo88 wrote:lol everyone talking about shipments , is right spain shipments and politicians options are mediocre especially in 3th age , but ... SPAIN NEED MORE ECO , SPAIN ECO IS RIDICOLOUS . not you agree with me? :D this is evident for example in team games.


Spain eco is pretty good if you convert those extra shipments into eco advantages and don''t waste them on units. Eg you can ship 5v just about every game quite easily.
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23 Oct 2015, 17:55

88baronrojo88 wrote:lol everyone talking about shipments , is right spain shipments and politicians options are mediocre especially in 3th age , but ... SPAIN NEED MORE ECO , SPAIN ECO IS RIDICOLOUS . not you agree with me? :D this is evident for example in team games.

spain isnt an eco civ

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