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kaiserklein wrote:Really nice to see we will finally be able to play on fair maps and with more balanced civs. But there is 1 thing people haven''t mentioned in this thread yet, tho it will in my opinion be the biggest flaw in the balance. And it will also change the meta, which is what the FP team didn''t want I think.

I''m talking about that card tad players don''t really know : silk road. For those who don''t know, on tad it increases the crates by 15%, increases what you get from stagecoach by 15%, and works for the whole team. On nilla, this card is 30%. So now, it will be 25%, almost as much as on nilla. BUT in age 1. Which means you can now ship it after 3 vils, before colonial, because of the otto free TP.

So let''s imagine you have a 400w start. You just take 80 in each crate, which makes 320 wood = enough for a TP + house. When silk road comes, you get +25 wood in each crate, which means you get on the floor 200 wood (you left 100 and you earn 100). Why not, you get a second TP without chopping any wood.
Then you age up. 500w age up. You make an abus/jan build, 700w 700g 600g, or rather 875w 875g 750g.

So what happened ? After this you already got a 700 resources shipment. But remember this also works for stagecoach. Remember this also works for the team. Remember you can ship this in age 1 and get a faster TP, while still having a shipment ready in colonial. And also think every other crate you might ship will be improved (600w, 700f, 1000w, 1000g ?).

On nilla this card is insane. You can get 35 abus or 30 huss before 9 minutes using it. Ok it''s 30%, but still... At least it''s a slow timing, because you have to ship it in colonial as first card if you want it to be most effective, which means it delayed the 700w/700g or whatever, and so most likely delayed the first batch. Now you can jan abus with eco and still be fast, maybe even faster...

Sorry if that''s a bit long but I''m 100% sure that this card will be way too op, all the more so in team games. I think if you don''t change it it will be abused and might make otto even more overpowered than before, with a new "boomy" otto meta.

yurashic wrote:Ottomans aren''t a top civ on esoc maps anyway because you can''t starve anyone so they won''t be too strong.

Silk Road is a very interesting and fresh change.

umeu wrote:lol its hardly fresh, its just undoing an old nerf basically. i did always like that card on nilla tho

princeofkabul wrote:Offshore support shoulda been nerfed :S, and warships in general more than just monitor range. Buff Samurai, they look so badass but suck :,(

kaiserklein wrote:Really nice to see we will finally be able to play on fair maps and with more balanced civs. But there is 1 thing people haven''t mentioned in this thread yet, tho it will in my opinion be the biggest flaw in the balance. And it will also change the meta, which is what the FP team didn''t want I think.

I''m talking about that card tad players don''t really know : silk road. For those who don''t know, on tad it increases the crates by 15%, increases what you get from stagecoach by 15%, and works for the whole team. On nilla, this card is 30%. So now, it will be 25%, almost as much as on nilla. BUT in age 1. Which means you can now ship it after 3 vils, before colonial, because of the otto free TP.

So let''s imagine you have a 400w start. You just take 80 in each crate, which makes 320 wood = enough for a TP + house. When silk road comes, you get +25 wood in each crate, which means you get on the floor 200 wood (you left 100 and you earn 100). Why not, you get a second TP without chopping any wood.
Then you age up. 500w age up. You make an abus/jan build, 700w 700g 600g, or rather 875w 875g 750g.

So what happened ? After this you already got a 700 resources shipment. But remember this also works for stagecoach. Remember this also works for the team. Remember you can ship this in age 1 and get a faster TP, while still having a shipment ready in colonial. And also think every other crate you might ship will be improved (600w, 700f, 1000w, 1000g ?).

On nilla this card is insane. You can get 35 abus or 30 huss before 9 minutes using it. Ok it''s 30%, but still... At least it''s a slow timing, because you have to ship it in colonial as first card if you want it to be most effective, which means it delayed the 700w/700g or whatever, and so most likely delayed the first batch. Now you can jan abus with eco and still be fast, maybe even faster...

Sorry if that''s a bit long but I''m 100% sure that this card will be way too op, all the more so in team games. I think if you don''t change it it will be abused and might make otto even more overpowered than before, with a new "boomy" otto meta.

yurashic wrote:Ottomans aren''t a top civ on esoc maps anyway because you can''t starve anyone so they won''t be too strong.

Silk Road is a very interesting and fresh change.

garja wrote:Not to defend otto changes, but which esoc maps do exactly have shitty hunts?

divinefire wrote:

kaiserklein wrote:Really nice to see we will finally be able to play on fair maps and with more balanced civs. But there is 1 thing people havent mentioned in this thread yet, tho it will in my opinion be the biggest flaw in the balance. And it will also change the meta, which is what the FP team didnt want I think.

Im talking about that card tad players dont really know : silk road. For those who dont know, on tad it increases the crates by 15%, increases what you get from stagecoach by 15%, and works for the whole team. On nilla, this card is 30%. So now, it will be 25%, almost as much as on nilla. BUT in age 1. Which means you can now ship it after 3 vils, before colonial, because of the otto free TP.

So lets imagine you have a 400w start. You just take 80 in each crate, which makes 320 wood = enough for a TP + house. When silk road comes, you get +25 wood in each crate, which means you get on the floor 200 wood (you left 100 and you earn 100). Why not, you get a second TP without chopping any wood.
Then you age up. 500w age up. You make an abus/jan build, 700w 700g 600g, or rather 875w 875g 750g.

So what happened ? After this you already got a 700 resources shipment. But remember this also works for stagecoach. Remember this also works for the team. Remember you can ship this in age 1 and get a faster TP, while still having a shipment ready in colonial. And also think every other crate you might ship will be improved (600w, 700f, 1000w, 1000g ?).

On nilla this card is insane. You can get 35 abus or 30 huss before 9 minutes using it. Ok its 30%, but still... At least its a slow timing, because you have to ship it in colonial as first card if you want it to be most effective, which means it delayed the 700w/700g or whatever, and so most likely delayed the first batch. Now you can jan abus with eco and still be fast, maybe even faster...

Sorry if thats a bit long but Im 100% sure that this card will be way too op, all the more so in team games. I think if you dont change it it will be abused and might make otto even more overpowered than before, with a new "boomy" otto meta.

Please play the patch and test the changes, then complain about mistakes.

bramboy wrote:

garja wrote:Not to defend otto changes, but which esoc maps do exactly have shitty hunts?

Cascade, Bengal, Tibet, and Baja are all great maps for otto to starve its opponent.

jerom wrote:You know, all things considered, maybe spain got the biggest buff out of all civs.

garja wrote:

bramboy wrote:Cascade, Bengal, Tibet, and Baja are all great maps for otto to starve its opponent.

Cascade has no tp. It also has 8+6 elks which is equal to 14 bisons. Ah + 4 berries.
Bengal has as many close hunts as kamchatka basically, only slightly further away. Also 2 berrie bushes and again no TP.
Tibet is a special case, can see that being detrimental to Otto too.
Baja California has a decent number of hunts, but ye probably out of those you mentioned is the best for Otto.

Basically there isnt a single esoc maps that have less hunts than the average RE map.

jerom wrote:You know, all things considered, maybe spain got the biggest buff out of all civs.

It is pretty clear to me that ports and dutch got much bigger buff. Spain was about to get more in fact.