_H2O wrote:Ideally I would just get the same rating on my actual account. The best way to avoid getting caught up in admin decisions is to follow the rules! :)
What about elo farming off kickass? Seems he gave you 10 games in a row.
_H2O wrote:Ideally I would just get the same rating on my actual account. The best way to avoid getting caught up in admin decisions is to follow the rules! :)
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
Hazza54321 wrote:So would i be able to sign up on the general or would thaf be too intimidating
Kaiserklein wrote:Hazza signing up for a 1v1 tourney is anything but intimidating
umeu wrote:Hazza54321 wrote:So would i be able to sign up on the general or would thaf be too intimidating
The real question is, on which account should lukas sign up? Lukass_L99, markus_heining or jayp22?
I'm signing up on adriancarrot fo sho
Hazza54321 wrote:umeu wrote:Hazza54321 wrote:So would i be able to sign up on the general or would thaf be too intimidating
The real question is, on which account should lukas sign up? Lukass_L99, markus_heining or jayp22?
I'm signing up on adriancarrot fo sho
Its quite funny how esoc knows you by two accounts when theres at least 5 we all know is you but you claim otherwise
Hazza54321 wrote:Donaldtrump, hadrianus, hokedog, dutchlucifer Kappa, and those are off the top of my head
Garja wrote:How much elo are you gaining playing 10 games with the same person, both at 1600? Soon you will be 1700 and he will be 1500. At that point you gain like 2 points per game. GL advancing with that, especially when losing just 1 games put you back by 20 points.
It is possible to rank up or down, because the system is still fresh, but to do that you need to play vs somewhat decent player and whose elo is close to your objective. E.g. to be 1750 you need to play with 1650 and up only and then 1700+ only. This is because you will inevitably lose some games. If you play vs a 1600 player you need 100 games, assuming all wins. And it can easily be seen as point trading anyway.
Garja wrote:I don't think that would be worth a dq but very likely would change your seed.
Then again this is all easier said that done. I don't see anyone being in top 20 by playing only people around 1600. There is a reason if top10 was 1700, then 1750 and now is 1800.
momuuu wrote:Mind you its only ~25 games and repeatedly playing the same person is not point trading at all. Rn if Id play 25 games chances are 15 are with jesus3/brookg because those are my best aoe mates. Would I be disqualified for point trading if I won all 15 of those?
This means it'd only be ~20-25 games to get to the top20 elo right now.
musketeer925 wrote:momuuu wrote:Mind you its only ~25 games and repeatedly playing the same person is not point trading at all. Rn if Id play 25 games chances are 15 are with jesus3/brookg because those are my best aoe mates. Would I be disqualified for point trading if I won all 15 of those?
Winning 15 games against the same guy, if you both started at 1600, would give you +91.3 Elo, and at 15 games into your series you're making just over +1 Elo per game. If you started at 1700 vs. his 1600, you'd gain 45.8 in 15 games. I don't really see how those are dangerous numbers. Winning 15 games in a row against someone who started at your rank *should* give you +90, and 15 games in a row against someone 100 below you giving +45 also seems reasonable.
Math:This means it'd only be ~20-25 games to get to the top20 elo right now.
Getting into the top 20 isn't hard right now, you're right. You'll actually notice that #20 in the EP ladder has a record of 15-3. On the other hand, I tried several scenarios, and in any scenario I can concoct that is anything like "gaming the system" (i.e., playing repeated games against the same player), you can't get to the top 5 within 100 games.
So yeah, go game the system for a bit and get in the top 20. That will help the ladder improve its accuracy even though you're gaming the system to get there, because the optimal ladder will have a much wider spread of Elos. You inflating your Elo helps achieve that twofold:
1) you'll displace players with "traditionally" low Elo, so even if you're misranked, it helps get people out of the top 20 who don't belong there, or encourages them to play more to displace you again
2) assuming you occasionally play and lose against some other players, your inflated Elo will improve accuracy of other player's Elo.
Finally, your strategy won't work for very long (15 games before you start gaining +1 Elo per game against worse players), and even more so if you're not the only one doing it, since others will make the same quick gains as you (through legit or not play). You could make your strategy last longer by winning 15 games against a guy starting at 1600, then switch to winning the next 15 games against a guy who started at 1700... wait, no, that's how the ladder is supposed to work, it's not gaming the system anymore. You're forced to play against progressively higher players to make your rank go up if you want to continue improving your own rank at any reasonable rate.
You're pretty great at refusing to accept nuance, too – and arguing the extreme to the extreme, come to think of it. How ironic and fittingly lacking in perspective, same as it ever was.umeu wrote:lol these 2!!! it's always the same. Garaja refuses to accept nuance. Jeruma insists to argue the extreme.
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