Kaiserklein vs diarouga

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Kaiserklein vs diarouga

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[spoiler=Result]4-3 for Kaiserklein[/spoiler]
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Ggs, entertaining series I heard, but I feel like we both played quite bad
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First there was not enough crying, then there was too much [Bitches about Crossbowmen after taking idiotic engagement].

Fun series to watch!
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Was a lot of fun to cast this with @Mitoe and a very entertaining chat with lots of new subs, thanks all.

Interesting how 5 out of 7 games end at the 11/12 minute mark.
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Where those ppl that said dia would win 4-0??
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IAmSoldieR wrote:Where those ppl that said dia would win 4-0??

Who said that lol
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Hazza54321 wrote:
IAmSoldieR wrote:Where those ppl that said dia would win 4-0??

Who said that lol


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IAmSoldieR wrote:Where those ppl that said dia would win 4-0??

Could have been 4-1 if I didn't lose my connection and won game 3.
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zoom wrote:First there was not enough crying, then there was too much [Bitches about Crossbowmen after taking idiotic engagement].

Lag doesn't help. Anyway, maybe the point is that xbows are totally fine in colonial games but colonial games are very rare which is why you never see bows.

Also it would be nice if you could try to understand the basics of the game before giving your worthless opinion on twitch chats or on the forums.
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edeholland wrote:Was a lot of fun to cast this with @Mitoe and a very entertaining chat with lots of new subs, thanks all.

Interesting how 5 out of 7 games end at the 11/12 minute mark.

That happens when 6/7 games play out in Colonial.
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IAmSoldieR wrote:Where those ppl that said dia would win 4-0??

Obviously I said that, because diarouga is strategically smarter, and there is no doubt that what kaiser does is not better than samwise-h2o-bsop-königerik or any other top players did in the past. surely he is good at what he does. but it's not bringing any variety to the game. For istance he tried to play non-standard on pampas sierras game which was a big frustration for german player, if i had chance to bet again today, I would say again diarouga beats 4-0. because it won't change the fact that diarouga is better player anyway, for kaiser FANboyfriend. I would request him to not mention me with someone else's achievement then I can consider answering him.

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Mitoe wrote:
edeholland wrote:Was a lot of fun to cast this with @Mitoe and a very entertaining chat with lots of new subs, thanks all.

Interesting how 5 out of 7 games end at the 11/12 minute mark.

That happens when 6/7 games play out in Colonial.

5 out of 8*
Also while it may be fun for the viewers, playing a MU where only one strat ils viable is definitely not fun.
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Kaiserklein wrote:Ggs, entertaining series I heard, but I feel like we both played quite bad

Good attempt at the diarouga postgame analysis
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"Another unwinnable map, I should just forfeit" Kaiserklein before Cascade game
Consider not the one who speaks the truth, but the truth that is said

:hmm: AoE logic :hmm:
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No TP maps are slightly worse but it doesn't really matter on this MU because Ger is going to lose his TP and give 240exp anyway.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:No TP maps are slightly worse but it doesn't really matter on this MU because Ger is going to lose his TP and give 240exp anyway.

Well cascade range not only doesn't have a TP but also doesn't have food and is very small. I think you really fucked up on this map tbh and this is why you lost the serie in the end.
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Pathing/positioning/lag helped him quite a lot in that last fight with 50 crossbows in the trees, I imagine.
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Well game plan was already bad, kaiser anyway had much more stuff for this fight. But diarouga tried a rush instead of contain and just lost to the ger timming as a result.
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Initially I wanted to FF on that map but I changed my mind after seeing my awful firepit placement :(

Still, I was annoyed by the lag and took a bad fight.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:No TP maps are slightly worse but it doesn't really matter on this MU because Ger is going to lose his TP and give 240exp anyway.


Well even if you lose it, i think it speed up your 2-3 first age2 shipment and it matter vs aggressive play, just 10sec difference can change a lot your ability to hold a rush no ? Mainly vs high siege units azzy has and can easily housed the german in some sec or just idle vills and cut big german batch.

Kaiser you need to do another micro video on how to position your dopp correctly and watch it :P (happened in 2 or 3 games where it really fucked up some of your fight :().
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:Lag doesn't help. Anyway, maybe the point is that xbows are totally fine in colonial games but colonial games are very rare which is why you never see bows.

Yeah lag sucked, but tbh you wouldn't ever win that fight in trees anyway.
And bows happen to be alright vs azzy because they don't have musks and coyotes aren't great vs RI, but that doesn't mean they aren't shit overall.

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IAmSoldieR wrote:Where those ppl that said dia would win 4-0??

Obviously I said that, because diarouga is strategically smarter, and there is no doubt that what kaiser does is not better than samwise-h2o-bsop-königerik or any other top players did in the past. surely he is good at what he does. but it's not bringing any variety to the game. For istance he tried to play non-standard on pampas sierras game which was a big frustration for german player, if i had chance to bet again today, I would say again diarouga beats 4-0. because it won't change the fact that diarouga is better player anyway, for kaiser FANboyfriend. I would request him to not mention me with someone else's achievement then I can consider answering him.

ggs wp both

It's funny cause you always call me a cav semi bot, yet here I played 6/8 games in colonial and never went cav semi. And you still say what I do doesn't bring variety lol. I went naked ff with forward tower, which no one does. Went for some big dop cav + 8 bows timings, which isn't standard. Went bow dop, went double rax bow pike timing.
This just shows you don't know what you're talking about :D btw I'm quite sure diarouga himself would never claim he should win 4-0 vs me. It's obvious he shouldn't.
Funny you mention erik, both tourney series we played were really close and ended 4-3. But yeah I'm defo not close to him haha.

[Armag] diarouga wrote:No TP maps are slightly worse but it doesn't really matter on this MU because Ger is going to lose his TP and give 240exp anyway.

Cascade has low food, low coin, and no tp. It's definitely good for aztecs in this mu. You can just contain, right click me if I age, wait for me to push for food otherwise.
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@flontier I know, that's why I kept saying I played bad. I couldn't micro properly most of the series. It cost me the Mendocino game actually (I could have won the second fight but in fact I had dops in maces and uhlans on pumas). I also didn't crush fights as hard as I should have on Klondike and Hudson, though it didn't really matter. That's the result of not playing since 4 days and having only 45 min to warmup.
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There will be even more excuses thanthis when u face the spain pain train
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Kaiserklein wrote:
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IAmSoldieR wrote:Where those ppl that said dia would win 4-0??

Obviously I said that, because diarouga is strategically smarter, and there is no doubt that what kaiser does is not better than samwise-h2o-bsop-königerik or any other top players did in the past. surely he is good at what he does. but it's not bringing any variety to the game. For istance he tried to play non-standard on pampas sierras game which was a big frustration for german player, if i had chance to bet again today, I would say again diarouga beats 4-0. because it won't change the fact that diarouga is better player anyway, for kaiser FANboyfriend. I would request him to not mention me with someone else's achievement then I can consider answering him.

ggs wp both

It's funny cause you always call me a cav semi bot, yet here I played 6/8 games in colonial and never went cav semi. And you still say what I do doesn't bring variety lol. I went naked ff with forward tower, which no one does. Went for some big dop cav + 8 bows timings, which isn't standard. Went bow dop, went double rax bow pike timing.
This just shows you don't know what you're talking about :D btw I'm quite sure diarouga himself would never claim he should win 4-0 vs me. It's obvious he shouldn't.
Funny you mention erik, both tourney series we played were really close and ended 4-3. But yeah I'm defo not close to him haha.


First. I still think you are a cav semi semi bot, nothing changed here. If you ever were good player, you would try adapting instead of crying and influencing zoi to implement unnecessary changes to improve your bot style. Also making bows shouldnt be hard for you as a player who went %90 german tower rush in nilla xD I dont think you ever understand me anyway
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deleted_user wrote:

First. I still think you are a cav semi semi bot, nothing changed here. If you ever were good player, you would try adapting instead of crying and influencing zoi to implement unnecessary changes to improve your bot style. Also making bows shouldnt be hard for you as a player who went %90 german tower rush in nilla xD I dont think you ever understand me anyway

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