Beta Indians Discussion

[Kaiserklein]

Siege eles suck overall because they're bad at killing artillery and they're expensive, but they're actually pretty good vs water because of the mobility and the siege

[deleted_user0]

They lack the range vs offshore upgraded warships though. Like iro light cannons. Vs someone who microes its still quite hard. Thats just super late game tho, midgame they do well vs water, true

[zoom]

Thank you to everyone for your patience and thoughts! The next few days, I will be comprehensively going through the forum, responding where meaningful. Returning to the discussion in this thread:

what bothers me, is that india, easily one of the strongest civs in the game is getting buffed only. if ceasefire was removed entirely id be a lot more happy about buffing india.

I cannot agree that Indians is being buffed, only. I don't intend for these changes to be significant buffs to the civilization (i.e ones that significantly improve its performance against other civilizations). However, I do intend for the Cease Fire nerf to be one, and would consider replacing the ability, altogether, if the current nerf isn't acceptable. Please help test it, to that end! Regardless, I will consider partially reverting the Rajput buff, and polling Cease Fire, soon enough.

Another specific matter that I would like everybody's opinion on, is whether the House cost buff is meaningful, beyond buffing the civilization, in general. That is to say: Does it have a positive effect on the civilization, outside of making it stronger?

[zoom]

The problem Rajputs have are the same ones Pikes and most Heavy infantry has. There are other alternatives available especially in India's case where it's overflowing with units that counter cavalry and all three are better choices. The only answer I could give is making the Sepoy less useful against cavalry in age 2/3, thus making the Rajput a better direct answer to cavalry.

You really really don't want melee heavy infantry being too good. I still remember the garbage back in the days where Dutch was best civ in the game with their 5.2 speed Halberdiers that didn't get a penalty against ranged infantry. It was a mess.

Agreed – although the penalty is against all infantry. I'm also considering counterbalancing the Halberdier buff, whether in general, or for the Dutch in particular.

[Kaiserklein]

I think the Indian monks should have 1 range on their stun ability. Basically, just enough to allow them to stun a moving converted guardian, cause atm they can't ever stun them unless they just stop moving, which is imo stupid. If it still doesn't work with 1 range, give 2.
Thoughts?

[amiggo1999]

I think the Indian monks should have 1 range on their stun ability. Basically, just enough to allow them to stun a moving converted guardian, cause atm they can't ever stun them unless they just stop moving, which is imo stupid. If it still doesn't work with 1 range, give 2.
Thoughts?

I like this

[zoom]

I've decided to leave Mahout buffs out, for now. Especially recently, the unit doesn't seem significantly unviable. It's just a non-essential change, whether desirable to balance, to begin with (at this time, making the Sowar less viable, and buffing Indians both seem undesirable properties). Population cost buff were also insignificant, outside of psychological impact. In the future, though, we should consider addressing the animation.

[zoom]

I think the Indian monks should have 1 range on their stun ability. Basically, just enough to allow them to stun a moving converted guardian, cause atm they can't ever stun them unless they just stop moving, which is imo stupid. If it still doesn't work with 1 range, give 2.
Thoughts?

I like this

Let's poll it!

[Garja]

So, is otto consulate going to be nerfed? I liked the suggestion of removing it from buildings. Agra in particular is insane with that.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Agra with Otto cons lol