Beta Iroquois Discussion

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Re: Beta Iroquois Discussion

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Garja wrote:1) Yes, semi FF is also like iro level but semi FF, as strong as it is, it's nowhere near the level of OPness of the rush.
2) I agree on that, but the unit is still the only infantry unit with jans that doesn't die in 2 TC shots. This is simply not acceptable. We nerfed sepoy largely because of this (or at least it was a significant side effect) and we are just ignoring the same thing for a unit that is 3x more spammable in the same time frame.
Aside from TC shooting, 110hp is insane for a 100f unit. For comparison, lbow is 95hp, cetan is 100hp (+10 hp from RE), yumi is 100hp, xbow is 100hp, etc. Considering that there are no evident other drawbacks (even the base damage isn't that low because of 1.5 rof) the unit is clearly too good.
3) Tomahawk will be trash. They're ok now because their ranged damage is trash but at least they have good hp. But with -5% (consider scaling) they will be meh.
4) Kanya turn from being maybe a bit too good (well, mostly in comparison to huss who have 20% rr) to being quite bad. 100f 75w is close to the cost of huss and the unit is strictly worse.
5) FP are good for sure, MR are nothing special.
1) Even on the RE, semi ff was better than the rush most of the time.
2) Aennas without the aura die in 2 TC shots, so they're not the only infantry unit that doesn't die in 2 TC shots.. According to you the issue is the unit, I'm claiming that the issue is the aura, both point of views make sense.
3) Still a musk unit with insane melee damage. They will become worse than musks, but that's not an issue.
5) MR had 30% RR and are very good vs artillery, so they're definitely special.
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Re: Beta Iroquois Discussion

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Not it wasnt, semi FF is just for some civs that you expect can hold the rush. The rush doesnt mean going all in.
Yes, both ways makes sense. However tomahawks, with aura, still die in 2 shots. I'd say the problem is the extra 10hp.
Yes great meelee damage but really crap stats aside from that. And they cost more than musks. It's definetely an issue as the unit is the backbone of iro colonial just as much as aenna.
30% is irrelevant, it wasn't something special prior to goon nerf. Can nerf that if it's that special. Bonus vs artillery is small and it's just because iro don't have a direct counter till industrial.
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