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Should Westernization (Russians unique-church-improvement that grants veteran status to all Colonial Age units) cost be reduced from 900w?

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No, I want EP to be similar to RE and this ist just an unneccessary change/ buff imo

Still feels very awkward to opt for imo, because:

• You have to spend a shipment for it
• Usually you don't even make that many units of every kind in colonial. So just upgrading the strelets and cossacks for 800res and leaving the ruskets age 2 will let you spend a shipment on something else
• If you do send the church card, the 9 Kalmucks for 1k wood still seems much more appealing to me than saving some resources on unit upgrades

yemshi wrote:No, I want EP to be similar to RE and this ist just an unneccessary change/ buff imo

I support this view. Unfortunately zoom and mart don't and have lost the original vision of EP.

I kinda support: but dont forget some pro players can beat other pro players with cheesy builds. You can revert bad stats to be still bad, unstandart; yet better for situational/cheesy strats.

On the RE I used to send this shipment (for the goon/huss mostly though), but on the EP the goons got nerfed so it isn't worth anymore (it wasn't really before anyway).

useless shipment anyway

It should be reduced to 600w and dont upgrade grenadiers in return.

Lmao I expected this to be a political thread. Didn't know the name of this tech.

It could be interesting to buff it. After all we're trying to find a way to make russia's early fortress a bit more viable, right? This might be a way, by letting them ship a card in transition that would pay off quickly once upon fortress. 1500w + a card for vet strel/musk/coss + 9 guard goons is currently not worth it, but by reducing the cost of westernization it could maybe become a thing and thus add diversity and slightly buff russia.

I dont see any reasonable cost reduction making it really viable. Then again I don't see much problem changing it.

Now that you are at it you may as well change besteiro tech ot its orginal 2000w cost (nerfing Port vill cost thx).

isn't this like a tech that is either OP (always used) or UP(never used)? I can't see a balance where you would get it some games but not all with this tech

I'm not sure how much I like it only because it could start to feel like you must send this card every single game if you plan to age 3, depending on how much you reduce the cost of the tech. Could create a situation where Russia actually feels decent in Fortress if they get the card in, vs feeling really bad if you don't manage to send it. If this is looking to buff Fortress play for Russia then this is a very limiting way of doing it.

Not to mention the card still may not be worth it anyway

dont see this card fitting into any builds tbh, at the ideal time you want to send it in transition to fortress, however you wanna save the shipment for falcs or 1kwood anyway

[Armag] diarouga wrote:On the RE I used to send this shipment (for the goon/huss mostly though), but on the EP the goons got nerfed so it isn't worth anymore (it wasn't really before anyway).

How did it get nerfed? You mean rr or something else?

Fast kalmucks can defo be good, but it depends a lot on situation ofc.

Yea I mean RR. It used to be almost viable in some situations but honestly kalmucks just seem so weak vs infantry now

Ye maybe. But you should use them vs cavalry! But yeah, its mostly the surprise factor that makes them good. I think there is still use for them but it always has been a niche option. Can be good sometimes (maybe less so now) but was never and imo should never be part of main strat