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10 Dec 2018, 23:33

Honestly the Sioux changes were the best of all the EP team put forward. Just needs a slight tweak from the sounds of it.
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10 Dec 2018, 23:38

Or maybe fast age, or maybe call it French 2.0 :P
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10 Dec 2018, 23:47

EAGLEMUT wrote:There is no less of an EP team than there's been for the past two years or so (one leader + input from various players).
Was actually meant to release EP6 beta on the weekend, but alas, I'm too slow.

Is EP6 release being coordinated in some way with the upcoming tournament schedule?
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10 Dec 2018, 23:59

musketeer925 wrote:
EAGLEMUT wrote:There is no less of an EP team than there's been for the past two years or so (one leader + input from various players).
Was actually meant to release EP6 beta on the weekend, but alas, I'm too slow.

Is EP6 release being coordinated in some way with the upcoming tournament schedule?

It's in the process of; EP6 final release time isn't set in stone yet.
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11 Dec 2018, 00:26

Garja wrote:Teepees are just a big pile of shit at the moment, mostly because they have been changed too much.
Even on RE teepees have a purpose and you see typical Sioux lamers actually dropping a few to hold attacks in base (not early on but like after 700w sometimes).
The problem with teepees was just that they cost too much for their utility and, maybe, that they were too easy to kill.
Now instead:
- they cost less and have more hp;
- you can spam more and they have more range;
- they give eco bonus from default;
- they can be built by units by default;

The last two especially are completely unecessary and even bad by design.
Whoever did these changes simply didn't appreciate the difference between fine tuning balance and brainstorming completely foolish ideas.

They cost the same, no?
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11 Dec 2018, 00:37

The teepees are a random design mess and dont match with the theme of sioux much, rather they feel like they standardize sioux gameplay.

The EP team should look at how to make sioux function as low eco civ, rather than turning them into a civ with somewhat average eco that does a semi ff. There are already plenty of civs that play like that.
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11 Dec 2018, 00:39

I think it's 100w on RE but honestly I'm not sure anymore lol. In any case other changes still stand.
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11 Dec 2018, 00:54

delete sioux civ. balance fixed
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11 Dec 2018, 01:01

It's 50w on RE I'm pretty sure. maybe 55w cause the game is weird like that. Definitely not 100w though.
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11 Dec 2018, 01:32

What exactly is "Official" about this thread? There isn't anything official about this entire forum.
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11 Dec 2018, 01:42

musketeer925 wrote:What exactly is "Official" about this thread? There isn't anything official about this entire forum.

Its the official diarouga suggestion thread. Its great to have that tag. What if Diarouga would make a second balance thread? Without tags we'd all be left being utterly confused.
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11 Dec 2018, 02:20

[Armag] diarouga wrote:Just a small change, but it's very frustrating when people deleted their building (especially shrines) when you have a *3 exp bonus as Aztecs. I think it's cheating because that's not how the game is supposed to work.


shit, never thought/seen that. nice anti-aztec tip lol

bwinner1 wrote:https://eso-community.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=15877&hilit=EP+balance+poll
I think you should considere only this to tell what "people" find OP. And there you see sioux are ok (number 5 civ don't need a nerf yet Imo)


imo this pool should be 99% ignored. Its almost a popularity contest. mixing real analysis with random people giving a 10 score to civs they dont know how to counter and voting their mains as "3" to maybe get a buff is useless. Imo IF you want a usefull balance pool, restrict votes for pr36+ (or some other criteria of what you consider a top ep player).
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11 Dec 2018, 06:22

Hazza54321 wrote:2x3vill is also ass, i wonder if giving spain 400w could balance them, or maybe 1kgold

Spain is ok in 1v1, they don't need 400w.
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11 Dec 2018, 06:23

musketeer925 wrote:What exactly is "Official" about this thread? There isn't anything official about this entire forum.

I'm officially suggesting some changes :chinese:
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11 Dec 2018, 06:53

Teepees cost 50 :wood: on RE lol
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11 Dec 2018, 08:35

What about revert the 125 food cost cdb nerf for french ? It was really a small change but i dont understand why, french isnt too strong at all.

Revert sioux to their original design pls. Its not supposed to be a civ where the eco match with the others. They are supposed to raid hard and have strong units to compensate for.

Otherwise all suggestions seems good.

Spain is fine, people just sucks at using them cause it required some good micro skills and this civ cant rely on win strat or broken build and no many viable options. And pretty sure no many players have really tried to explore them with the news builds which include the gold crate card. So yeah they are rated very low in the poll...
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11 Dec 2018, 08:47

flontier wrote:What about revert the 125 food cost cdb nerf for french ? It was really a small change but i dont understand why, french isnt too strong at all.

France is still one of the best civs currently, the 125 food is totally fair.

Revert sioux to their original design pls. Its not supposed to be a civ where the eco match with the others. They are supposed to raid hard and have strong units to compensate for.

Otherwise all suggestions seems good.

Spain is fine, people just sucks at using them cause it required some good micro skills and this civ cant rely on win strat or broken build and no many viable options. And pretty sure no many players have really tried to explore them with the news builds which include the gold crate card. So yeah they are rated very low in the poll...

Yes, Spain isn't played at all, that's why people think it's a weak civ.
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11 Dec 2018, 16:35

Well I was the one driving that goon RR change the hardest back then. My opinion of teamgames (3v3) and goons haven't changed, however 30 rr for 1v1 is totally good, and it sucks you can't have it both lol.
Drags would become once again the meme unit if the resist would be nerfed, also i'm not surprised knush complaining about this because apparently his playstyle these days is 100% 80f vills and goons.
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11 Dec 2018, 17:17

princeofkabul wrote:Well I was the one driving that goon RR change the hardest back then. My opinion of teamgames (3v3) and goons haven't changed, however 30 rr for 1v1 is totally good, and it sucks you can't have it both lol.
Drags would become once again the meme unit if the resist would be nerfed, also i'm not surprised knush complaining about this because apparently his playstyle these days is 100% 80f vills and goons.

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11 Dec 2018, 18:27

[Armag] diarouga wrote:
Atomiswave wrote:No ep team anymore, srsly?

Yea, GS left so Zoi is currently EP leader ( :lol: ), and there's no team.


So who is going to be new GS? Any applicants?
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11 Dec 2018, 18:48

Atomiswave wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:
Atomiswave wrote:No ep team anymore, srsly?

Yea, GS left so Zoi is currently EP leader ( :lol: ), and there's no team.


So who is going to be new GS? Any applicants?

Zoi is going to be the new GS unfortunately... I guess I could be the EP leader since I'm by far the one who spent the most time testing strats, and talking about the balance with other top players, but well...
Anyway, who's the EP leader doesn't matter, what matters is what he does, and from what I've seen, Zoi's changes are awful, and he isn't transparent at all about what he's going to change.
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11 Dec 2018, 19:43

I'm just getting increasingly confused with each next statement you make. So far you've claimed today that:
- EP Team doesn't exist
- you are currently the most active member of the EP Team
- you are not aware of the changes that EP Team is planning for EP6
- the planned changes are awful and EP6 will be a shit patch

I'm trying to mix and match at least two of them that don't directly invalidate each other, but it's not proving easy :hmm:
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11 Dec 2018, 19:43

I think map size is a biggest issue in why issues not prevelant in 1v1's become an issue in 3v3's. Just to name a few:

    1. Goons
    2. 30 layers of walls nr40
    3. Japan

I was playing a bit of team on the weekends and it occured to me just how insanely huge some of the 3v3 maps are. I believe decreasing the size of these maps should help link the 1v1 balance more closely with team.
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11 Dec 2018, 19:50

EAGLEMUT wrote:I'm just getting increasingly confused with each next statement you make. So far you've claimed today that:
- EP Team doesn't exist
- you are currently the most active member of the EP Team
- you are not aware of the changes that EP Team is planning for EP6
- the planned changes are awful and EP6 will be a shit patch

I'm trying to mix and match at least two of them that don't directly invalidate each other, but it's not proving easy :hmm:

1) EP team doesn't exist.

2) That was a joke. Since there's no EP team, I'm ofc the most active member.

3) I had access to the change list, then I got kicked because I complained too much about it.

4) And thus, I know that the next beta will be shit because I saw the changes.
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11 Dec 2018, 20:02

Thanks, that does clear it up a bit.
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