Fixed crates for Germany

Should Germany get fixed crate?

Yeah, hard to beat ger with 200 :wood: start
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25%
Yeah, a good alternate to balance the civ
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11%
No, "Germany isnt best civ"
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45%
No, other reason (comment below)
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
Garja wrote:Yes. The fact that you don't win those MUs don't make them harder.

Except nobody wins those MUs.
Classic semi vs Germany is hopeless by the way. And your builds vs Russia are too slow to hold a rush. He will have units in your base before you can even age and you won't have time to build a rax.

And by the way, mankle used to do something similar vs Spain, and he lost 3-0 to piroshiki lol.

I did that vs Russia plenty of times and it works. With no cons at start you even age before russia if you get a food treasure and they dont. 5 clubs come before Cossacks and tuen you have 5-5-5-5 yumi np.
I won vs piroshiki with just n
slightly adapted standard jap. Go kami +300w on gold ( on good 300w starts can even do normal 600w instead). Switch to jap cons while aging, send 300export for more clubs (or just 5 ashi) and take down the tower. Just keep massing ashi and add a stable ehile you can. You are at 100-110/200 pop whole game which is good eco vs Spain aggro FF and can always add shrines if given the time.
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I think Spain does very well vs Japan if played properly.

Anyway, I don't know how I feel about Japan right now. They're either average or terrible, one of the two for sure but I don't know which.
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I think spain cant save the tower so id rather semi ff vs agro jap
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Mitoe wrote:I think Spain does very well vs Japan if played properly.

Anyway, I don't know how I feel about Japan right now. They're either average or terrible, one of the two for sure but I don't know which.
i think they're close enough to being average that if you remove the deck scouting they would be at least average. Imo that should have been removed long ago anyway regardless of the balance. It just doesn't make sense.
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I do think the deck thing should be removed, you can scout either an age up or nagi switch by checking their deck. Which is kinda broken
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How many games has the German civilization won and how many has it lost so far in THE NEW WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP 2019?
I feel that most of the games I watched, in that tournament, the German civilization lost.

So you want another NERF?
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I wonder why everyone and his mom spams japan on ep if it's such a bad civ.

The way Mitoe plays japs always feels very hard to beat. I think most people just play them wrong.

Agreed, the deck scouting is dumb and shouldn't be a thing. Removing it would be a huge buff for japan though so we'd have to do it carefully.
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Japan just has awful design as a civ. Being able to wall up and have a decent eco and zero map control is Bs.
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Im not even sure the x2 deck thing is a mistake from devs. It sorts of counterbalance the double shipment mechanic which is op af.
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Kaiserklein wrote:I wonder why everyone and his mom spams japan on ep if it's such a bad civ.

The way Mitoe plays japs always feels very hard to beat. I think most people just play them wrong.

Agreed, the deck scouting is dumb and shouldn't be a thing. Removing it would be a huge buff for japan though so we'd have to do it carefully.

Or maybe you play worse vs his style. Even he says they are average or terrible. It is quite bad civ and everyone who plays them tells the same story but how would you know.
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Garja wrote:Im not even sure the x2 deck thing is a mistake from devs. It sorts of counterbalance the double shipment mechanic which is op af.

Idk, they have bad shipments to compensate. 600w instead of 700w, 600c instead of 700c, 4v instead of 5v, 5ashigarus is also bad etc.
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5 ashis are decent, but yeah their shipments aren’t the best. Could perhaps keep the deck trick and give 700w maybe
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Hazza54321 wrote:5 ashis are decent, but yeah their shipments aren’t the best. Could perhaps keep the deck trick and give 700w maybe

To be honest 5 ashis is worse than 6musks.
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There are of course other design reasons for which they give them double shipments. Still it's an advantage. And btw 5 ahsi is same res as 6 musks, and 4v is that way because of the civ design (same logic as why Dutch, Sioux and Otto were given 4v).
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Sioux 4v went out the window though
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Hazza54321 wrote:I think spain cant save the tower so id rather semi ff vs agro jap


they can, 7 min ff holds tower vs everything except a jan rush. unless japan ages with the samurai. then you have to hold it with 2 dogs and explorer.
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I dont think u can save it vs a jap going 2v 5ashi and 5 clubs first with 5 ashi trained
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Hazza54321 wrote:I dont think u can save it vs a jap going 2v 5ashi and 5 clubs first with 5 ashi trained


you should be able to, though maybe it kinda depends on how far the japan units have to walk to get to the tower. assuming japan units come from base and your tower is a bit to the side, you should be able to save it. spain can reach III at 7:05 with 5 musk + 5 otw, 5 dogs, 7 rods from shipment and 4 huss from age. maybe if japan ages before 4:30 then you can get it down, idk.
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Idk i lost to somppu twice because he sieged it down and wouldve lost to turk if i didnt semi.
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Hazza54321 wrote:Idk i lost to somppu twice because he sieged it down and wouldve lost to turk if i didnt semi.


did you age 15v > 16v though?
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you cant save it vs aggro play
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I did 15 wherever i could.
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On the topic of fixed crates, does anyone know the probability for each crate spawn for germany?
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The probability is the same for every civ.
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So each crate spawn has the same probability, so 100 wood 300 food is the same probability of 200 wood 200 food for germany?
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