Poll: Crate gathering in batches

Would you prefer for crates to be gathered smoothly, instead of in big batches?

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No
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Poll: Crate gathering in batches

Post by EAGLEMUT »

Looking for some feedback on crate gathering. In the current / RE state, crates are gathered up by big batches of resources at a time (20 for standard villagers). Cancelling the gathering animation potentially results in wasted time without obtaining any resources — if the villager was halfway done gathering up a 20-resource batch, for example.

How do you feel about this behavior? Is it just annoying that you cannot cancel crate gathering effectively? Is it an integral part of the game that crates work this way?
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I don’t really care too much either way, but something that potentially comes to mind is that it might favour the defender to make this change. As you will be able to gather the resources needed from the crates for minutemen or aging etc. more easily by just popping out of the TC for a second or two without risking too much.
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I'm not a top player and therefore my opinion is irrelevant - but I agree with Mitoe. Changing the way crates are gathered has a huge influence on the defender's side of the rush and will weaken certain civs that rely on pressure, such as Russia. I would not change these things.
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Yeah rushes are nerfed enough as it is
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It wouldn't be a big nerf to rushes tbh.
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Would be a nice buff to Germany
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Lets not complicate things and leave it as it is.
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Actually, I've brought it up because it complicates things a bit with the gathering bug fix, and it seemed to me like it could be a good change anyway.
Regardless, it doesn't seem to have much support and the original behavior should be possible to preserve with a little workaround.
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I think microing crates is a skill and having this change would make it way easier. So I dislike it. Plus it's true it would make it too easy to gather crates under tc while pressured.
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EAGLEMUT wrote:Actually, I've brought it up because it complicates things a bit with the gathering bug fix, and it seemed to me like it could be a good change anyway.
Regardless, it doesn't seem to have much support and the original behavior should be possible to preserve with a little workaround.

Can you quickly explain what the gathering bug is?
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Randomly you gather more res.
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n0el wrote:Randomly you gather more res.

Is it significant?
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I could imagine it being when you are in a mirror and you get your rax faster or tp faster based on pure chance of a rounding error
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
n0el wrote:Randomly you gather more res.

Is it significant?

Basically sometimes 1 or more of your vills gathers twice as fast until retasked.

That's the dummy answer anyway. Kevsoft or Eaglemut could provide a more precise answer that would also probably be more confusing.
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I dont think the gathering bug is confirmed yet. As far as I am aware they werent even able to reproduce it in a multiplayer environment.
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Garja wrote:I dont think the gathering bug is confirmed yet. As far as I am aware they werent even able to reproduce it in a multiplayer environment.

I think you are referring to the one guy's YouTube video and not what EAGLEMUT is talking about.
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Well, I'm refering to the thread he linked which I stopped reading after I went to the LAN. At that point it was still not tested in multiplayer environment so definetely no reliable conclusion can be drawn.
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That's true, and from my experience resource gather rates seem pretty consistent in multiplayer overall. Well, except when your damn vills refuse to chop wood because of lag!
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I think the rate is a tad too much like 20 at a time could be 10 at a time and faster but other people have raised a good point about nerfing aggression. It’s probably better to leave as is.

I mean I’m a slow/er player at least relatively speaking so things that would benefit me would not necessarily be popular :smile:
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
n0el wrote:Randomly you gather more res.

Is it significant?

According to Kev, it's roughly 4% more in multiplayer.
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EAGLEMUT wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:
n0el wrote:Randomly you gather more res.

Is it significant?

According to Kev, it's roughly 4% more in multiplayer.

Can we consider that both players are affected in the same way or there are possible inequalities? In this case, i prefer a bug fix even if you have to fuck crates
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Kynesie wrote:
EAGLEMUT wrote:
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According to Kev, it's roughly 4% more in multiplayer.

Can we consider that both players are affected in the same way or there are possible inequalities? In this case, i prefer a bug fix even if you have to fuck crates


There can be jitter so that players could get better or worse gather rates for a short amount of time, though it might not be too significant given that the jitter is per-vill.

However, given that the crate gather action is a completely own action in the tactics file there is a possibility to fix the gather bug and still retain the 20-chunks gather on the crates.
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Post by EAGLEMUT »

The thing is though, different civs work with different amounts of villagers, so this bug snowballs in favor of brits when playing against dutch, for example.
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So we finally have our smooth brit nerf! Just fix the bug
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Batch gathering is super annoying. Not sure there's a real way to tell if its halfway or what, ofc other than watching the vil the entire time

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