Revert the snare of scout in age 2?

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Revert the snare of scout in age 2?

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I recently tried some scout strats on RE with Sioux and Aztecs, which work pretty decent in some matchups (like skrim goon). Though I'm not a top player, which means my opponents may not react in the best way, but I believe by revert this change could let something unexpected happening in some games. :P
On the other hand, the nerf of snare basically results from an unfair advantage in age 1, so giving native scout the ability of snare won't have great influence in normal games as players have already aged up and got their trading posts up.
Feel free to express ur opinion about this and wish there are even more good games in the future!
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I am not sure we need to do some "weird" balance just for trying one random strat ^^.
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Snare was only ever a problem in age 1 so I don't see why not.
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Snare is bs, don't add it back.
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To be fair, scouts act essentially like double carded (stealth & combat) Coyote but with a little less attack, more siege and less speed. They have massive LOS and ignore pikes and goons. Additionally they do pretty well vs rusket-strel. Fun unit, super cheesy, never a competion level unit... perhaps sending advanced scout should enable snare? :hmm:
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Don't you have to train scouts instead of villagers for that.
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deleted_user wrote:Don't you have to train scouts instead of villagers for that.
They also unlock at the embassy- zapotec-scout or huaminca scout are good combos iirc
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It was like the 2nd best change of EP after the wall nerf. Definetely no revert.
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Wasn’t it a universal age 1 issue? Reverting it for age2 seems like a good change.
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n0el wrote:Wasn’t it a universal age 1 issue? Reverting it for age2 seems like a good change.
agree. Why reduce options? It's not like the scout strategy is OP (and if it is, I'm not sure snare will make a big difference).
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Why re-opening a chapter that it was closed? It's not like having the snare on the native scout from colonial is of any good either.
Just leave as it is. It works fine for balance, it is consistent with similar units, none was complaining.
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This is currently not technically possible, but it is a planned change for the future (through UHC2).
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I think the nat should have ranged snare across half the map vs China, to give them a taste of their medicine.
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If we can give the nat scout snare in age 2 it's fine. And then I'd love nootkas and incas not to have snare in age 1 and unlock it in age 2 too. But yeah currently not possible
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To reduce lameness I think advanced scouts should unlock the snaring instead of the ageup
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Yeah, that would be fine.
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harcha wrote:To reduce lameness I think advanced scouts should unlock the snaring instead of the ageup
Nobody would ever ship it though lol
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bittersalt123 wrote:
harcha wrote:To reduce lameness I think advanced scouts should unlock the snaring instead of the ageup
Nobody would ever ship it though lol
well the only argument for reverting snare IMO is as OP stated - the scout rush. so me thinks this strat should not be randomly nerfed in EP. other than that the removal of snare is good
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Scroogie wrote:I think the nat should have ranged snare across half the map vs China, to give them a taste of their medicine.
lol why saying that, China already got big nerf in EP7, 5% less hp and no guaranteed tp from the beginning
btw Chinese (East Asia) medicine is completely different from the ones in North or South America
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dansil92 wrote:To be fair, scouts act essentially like double carded (stealth & combat) Coyote but with a little less attack, more siege and less speed. They have massive LOS and ignore pikes and goons. Additionally they do pretty well vs rusket-strel. Fun unit, super cheesy, never a competion level unit... perhaps sending advanced scout should enable snare? :hmm:
Carded native scouts with Sioux WC aura have nearly the same speed as goons!
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Zeke wrote:
dansil92 wrote:To be fair, scouts act essentially like double carded (stealth & combat) Coyote but with a little less attack, more siege and less speed. They have massive LOS and ignore pikes and goons. Additionally they do pretty well vs rusket-strel. Fun unit, super cheesy, never a competion level unit... perhaps sending advanced scout should enable snare? :hmm:
Carded native scouts with Sioux WC aura have nearly the same speed as goons!
Oh yes haha on pampas sieras you can get inca techs & units mixed with scouts for 9+ speed huaminca quite readily :uglylol:
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As soon as possible, it's being reverted with the "Advanced Scouts" shipment. By design, I generally hold that scouts, unlike warriors, should not have snare.

Thank you for highlighting the issue!
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zoom wrote:As soon as possible, it's being reverted with the "Advanced Scouts" shipment. By design, I generally hold that scouts, unlike warriors, should not have snare.

Thank you for highlighting the issue!
By design, there shouldn't be an age 1 unit faster than your explorer and that can also snare. It means that you have no counterplay and just lose your explo.
Only exception is the sioux explo (which is part of the sioux bonus) and the stupid inca and nootka.
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Nah it's ok that it is faster, but by design it actually didn't have the snare on nilla.
Snare came on TWC because it was classified as a trainable unit. I guess snare with the card it's ok.
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I said it's not ok to have a unit which both is faster and has snare. And we removed nat scout snare on EP because that unit was both, so the nat scout is currently just fine.
I was just arguing that the same should be done (if possible) to nootka and inca in age 1, because zoi wrote "By design, I generally hold that scouts, unlike warriors, should not have snare". I believe the issue is not about them being warriors, but about them being faster than explos and having snare.
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