Is it a problem that WWs can't outrun rods?

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[jesus3]

Idk, depends on the weight of the wagon. If there are too many soldiers in it, the horse can be slowed down quite a bit. A fast sprinter can probably catch it then

[stanleywinston]

Idk, depends on the weight of the wagon. If there are too many soldiers in it, the horse can be slowed down quite a bit. A fast sprinter can probably catch it then

Dude you have no idea what you are talking about, it all depends on the horsepower... I myself have a V8 Guard War Wagon by Audi and it has never failed me!

[princeofcarthage]

Imagine if game was actually realistic

[[Armag] diarouga]

I'd recommand trying the shipment called "gg button" (ie 12 jaegers).

More seriously, if you get to the point where Spain is chasing your WW with rods, you've lost the game. In a normal situation, he can't really commit in your WW with his rods because then he can't protect his skirms from uhlans, and your skirm mass should be big enough.

And if Spain has rods only, you can train dops honestly. Spain can't really go for the skirm/goon composition (unless he goes spanish gold/1000w), so dops are actually decent against Spain.

[deleted_user]

I'd recommand trying the shipment called "gg button" (ie 12 jaegers).

More seriously, if you get to the point where Spain is chasing your WW with rods, you've lost the game. In a normal situation, he can't really commit in your WW with his rods because then he can't protect his skirms from uhlans, and your skirm mass should be big enough.

And if Spain has rods only, you can train dops honestly. Spain can't really go for the skirm/goon composition (unless he goes spanish gold/1000w), so dops are actually decent against Spain.

Yeah, not asking how to play the 1v1 MU. Just asking a pure question divorced of context, where the answer is either "yes" or "no."

[Mitoe]

nah

[Zutazuta]

Idk, depends on the weight of the wagon. If there are too many soldiers in it, the horse can be slowed down quite a bit. A fast sprinter can probably catch it then

You're forgetting the amount of armor that a rod has though. Have you ever tried to catch a horse drawn wagon while wearing 60lbs of protective equipment? Not easy.

[chronique]

I would've liked to see some olympic game in this period, when a little boy can run as fast as some horseman, with a big armor. I am sure rodo without armor can run the marathon in less than 1 h 59 min 40 s

[Riotcoke]

Just send spanish riding school. Also odd question, but how about we move spanish riding school to age3?

[jesus3]

Idk, depends on the weight of the wagon. If there are too many soldiers in it, the horse can be slowed down quite a bit. A fast sprinter can probably catch it then

You're forgetting the amount of armor that a rod has though. Have you ever tried to catch a horse drawn wagon while wearing 60lbs of protective equipment? Not easy.

I didn't forget about it. Those rods are rods bc they went through a hard training regimen and the armor should be their second skin by the time of a big fight

[iNcog]

Not a problem.

Rods can, in some weird ass wonky situations, be the counter to ranged cav I've found. because if they connect they do massive damage. it's nice to throw rods in the melee in the right spots, or use them to zone RC away from skirms so lancers can do the job

In true Rohbrot style, you make only rods and then you also get the speed upgrade. and then you make only rods. see, you chase RC and get hit and run for 10 minutes. but by minute 11, the cav player looks away to macro in his base, and that's when you end up winning the fight. the key is to make sure to make more rods and rally them towards the fight

Rohbrot was a legend, where is he now? :(

[iNcog]

doppels though

[howlingwolfpaw]

I do not think its a problem, WW are big n bulky they have many assets to them but turning radius is not one of them. So they are not good runners, but are much better at holding a fight. They get a huge resist vs Rods too so its not like rods really should chase them down because if skirms are behind them they mayn't (wow that is a real contraction!) last long enough to kill them. If they run for the skirms they will get kited. WW are just like a big target that says please devote all your resources to killing this one unit type and then have nothing left.

[deleted_user]

a cheap pike unit able to chase down and kill an expensive goon unit because it can't run away is fine

[Squamiger]

what if we just made WW even slower and tankier, like mantlet style but anti cav

[dansil92]

What if we made mantlets faster like war wagons but siegier?

[helln00]

What if we remove the WW melee resist, but make it so that after the horse dies , the wagon can no longer move but keeps shooting.

[_RDX_]

Well it's the same with howdahs, they can't outrun too. I think these type of units are supposed to exchange lower speed for high hp and damage and extra range by design.
P.S. don't make WWs Vs rods, If you need them for the anticav purpose, add some dops too (They actually get hidden in that big WW cover and your enemy won't see it. They'll deal with rods.)

[howlingwolfpaw]

a cheap pike unit able to chase down and kill an expensive goon unit because it can't run away is fine

I do not really see rods as cheap or as a pike unit, its kind of its own unique variety. relative weak attack and little siege, but fast on its feel.

rods are meant to counter Light cavalry, Germans have a particular extra weakness vs them do to speed. it is part of the rock paper scissors countering system of uniquely designed civs. In some instances all those attributes are detriments and benefits. faster WW would be OP (there is a card for this, perhaps changing the age is the best solution), weaker Rods would be sad.