All that does is buff the BB timing though[Armag] diarouga wrote:You're forgetting the snowball effect though. Now with fixed crates, you can go for an age 1 TP every game and still age in time, that's big.kaister wrote:@WickedCossack 1v = same eco as 12.5 vills gathering with teepee aura. On ep 8, I have 13 vills gathering with teepee aura as soon as 3v comes in. Sure it buffs early aggression in colo but Sioux still is gonna be dependent on the Bb timing and by the time that hits the changes are negative
EP 9.0.x Beta [RELEASED-LIVE]
Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
mad cuz bad
Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
Another meh patch to be honest. And with the fixed crate bs the game will become worse and worse.
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
Wait till 100 more changes that are supposed to be addedskandertayebi wrote:first time I read EP changes without getting instant brain cancer
Fine line to something great is a strange change.
Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
What about native changes? Redesigned native units and techs are what EP9 really needs.
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
There are native changes.
Slow and steady wins the race.
Slow and steady wins the race.
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
Can you just stop being so biased and spamming about sioux lol. Don't pull another somppu with india, it's really annoying.kaister wrote:Civs being nerfed slightly: #2 and #4
Civs being buffed: 3, 6, 8, 10, 11, 13, plus all euro civs
Civs being nerfed to shit: 12
Balance polls being used: 0
Via viewtopic.php?f=80&t=20538&p=461166&hil ... ce#p461166
In case you didn't realize, +1 starting vil is an insanely huge boost. How can you even say sioux is "nerfed to shit"? It probably will even be reverted cause it's OP.
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
Ye, I'm not 100% sure yet, but I expect the starting vill to be a buff compared to teepees.
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
It's not even close lol. Sioux is gonna age a vil earlier every game now, while still having the same amount of vils in transition anyway. So essentially they're gonna be 25 sec faster in all the early game. It's so much more impactful than a teepee (and you don't spend 50w on it either).
Or they'll just get an age 1 TP and still age 15 (or well, 16 now) without idle time, which is also so much better than a teepee.
I really wonder why we're making one of the fastest civs even faster with +1v, makes no sense to me.
Or they'll just get an age 1 TP and still age 15 (or well, 16 now) without idle time, which is also so much better than a teepee.
I really wonder why we're making one of the fastest civs even faster with +1v, makes no sense to me.
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
The sioux change feels a bit weird to me, as it boosts whats already strong (bb allin, early timmings), and nerf whats already weak (solid defensive long term gameplans).
But again, its one change in a huge patch where lots of stuff will change, I dont think anyone actually knows how balance will be in this patch, its all just guesses, so i just hope to be able to playtest soon with fixed crates.
But again, its one change in a huge patch where lots of stuff will change, I dont think anyone actually knows how balance will be in this patch, its all just guesses, so i just hope to be able to playtest soon with fixed crates.
Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
There are, but they’re not in the beta yet.deleted_user wrote:There are native changes.
Slow and steady wins the race.
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
Sioux lobby are realy strong, where are those members???
Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
Sioux's design just is such an outlier to standard aoe3 civs, its just awkward to balance it into the current meta and I dont know if there's an actual answer. They have awesome politicians, great colo shipments, decent fortress age shipments. And on paper they even scale really well with tons of upgrade big buttons, shipments, but it like, legit never happens in a real game. I think a fix would be to *drastically* lower the plantation/farm/stable/war hut big button costs since just building a farm or plantation is almost unheard of. They just don't scale well currently and are always all-in for 16 min
Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
the kaister meme made me laugh sorry I don't understand balance just here in the thread for the lulz
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
reduce the price of veterans upgrade for russia, WHY ???? +1 vills for sioux is fucking strong but well lets go !!...
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
With veterancy of Russian units being cheaper, would it be too much to ask for Westernization from the church card to be decreased by about 25% too?
Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
I've been testing out EP9 exclusively now and I've already thrown together a rough aztec build based on their new fortress shipments. Stay tuned. Loving the new balance changes and can't wait to test out the new natives
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
Buff Halberdiers!
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-08]
I disagree with making their veterancy cheaper, but I think reducing westernization down from 900w to about 600w or 700w would be good (you make a sizable investment by sending it already). This would encourage using church card which also makes russia very scary in IV, as the value at that point becomes quite high.Imperial Noob wrote:With veterancy of Russian units being cheaper, would it be too much to ask for Westernization from the church card to be decreased by about 25% too?
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POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-29]
This is an update to an ongoing Beta version of the ESOC Patch. You can find combined changelog of current Beta here.
EP 9.0.0.0 Beta2 [2020-07-29]
changelog since EP 9.0.0.0 Beta1
unless specified otherwise, game changes apply to all of ESOC Patch / ESOC Treaty Patch
General
- Merged changes up to EP 8.2.2.0.
ESOC Patch bug fixes
- Removed attack delay on all cannon-based artillery units, fixing an issue that caused them to sometimes fire "blank" shots.
- Fixed an issue where Crossbowmen could still occasionally miss units moving at high speed.
- Fixed a bug preventing walls from being able to transform into gates, when the wall was "obstructed" by nearby units.
- Fixed an issue where certain Iroquois walls could be selected from much further distance than intended. Affected types of walls were pillar & longest straight segment for unupgraded walls, and Gate for upgraded walls.
- Mantlets and Light Cavalry units may now choose to utilize their Siege Attack against Ships, when within appropriate range.
- Fishing Boats may no longer garrison into any defensive buildings other than Docks.
- Hidalgo revolution now grants Saloon-version Outlaw units, rather than Outlaw treasure guardians.
- Petrine Reforms upgrade no longer activates Guard Pikemen.
ESOC Patch balance changes
General
- Trading Post income decreased by 15%.
AZTEC
- Starting crates fixed to 400f 300w
BRITISH
- Starting crates fixed to 300f 300w
CHINA
- Starting crates fixed to 200f 300w
DUTCH
- Starting crates fixed to 500c 200w
FRANCE
- Starting crates fixed to 400f 200w
GERMANY
- Starting crates fixed to 300f 100w 100c
INDIA
- Starting crates fixed to 400w 200f
IROQUOIS
- Starting crates fixed to 500f 100w
JAPAN
- Starting crates fixed to 500f 300w
OTTOMAN
- Starting crates fixed to 100f 400w
PORTUGUESE
- Starting crates fixed to 300f 200w
RUSSIA
- Starting crates fixed to 600f 200w
SIOUX
- Starting crates fixed to 400f 100w
- "Recruit Buccaneer Fleet" (4 Privateers) shipment moved to Fortress Age (from Industrial); cost increased to 800 coin (from 500)
SPAIN
- Starting crates fixed to 300f 200w
Credits
- @musketeer925 for native tribes rework changes
- @mandosrex for gate transform fix
- Chaos (of the Project Celeste team) for artwork to fix selection bug of Iro walls
EP 9.0.0.0 Beta2 [2020-07-29]
changelog since EP 9.0.0.0 Beta1
unless specified otherwise, game changes apply to all of ESOC Patch / ESOC Treaty Patch
General
- Merged changes up to EP 8.2.2.0.
ESOC Patch bug fixes
- Removed attack delay on all cannon-based artillery units, fixing an issue that caused them to sometimes fire "blank" shots.
- Fixed an issue where Crossbowmen could still occasionally miss units moving at high speed.
- Fixed a bug preventing walls from being able to transform into gates, when the wall was "obstructed" by nearby units.
- Fixed an issue where certain Iroquois walls could be selected from much further distance than intended. Affected types of walls were pillar & longest straight segment for unupgraded walls, and Gate for upgraded walls.
- Mantlets and Light Cavalry units may now choose to utilize their Siege Attack against Ships, when within appropriate range.
- Fishing Boats may no longer garrison into any defensive buildings other than Docks.
- Hidalgo revolution now grants Saloon-version Outlaw units, rather than Outlaw treasure guardians.
- Petrine Reforms upgrade no longer activates Guard Pikemen.
ESOC Patch balance changes
General
- Trading Post income decreased by 15%.
Native tribes rework
- Starting crates fixed to 400f 300w
BRITISH
- Starting crates fixed to 300f 300w
CHINA
- Starting crates fixed to 200f 300w
DUTCH
- Starting crates fixed to 500c 200w
FRANCE
- Starting crates fixed to 400f 200w
GERMANY
- Starting crates fixed to 300f 100w 100c
INDIA
- Starting crates fixed to 400w 200f
IROQUOIS
- Starting crates fixed to 500f 100w
JAPAN
- Starting crates fixed to 500f 300w
OTTOMAN
- Starting crates fixed to 100f 400w
PORTUGUESE
- Starting crates fixed to 300f 200w
RUSSIA
- Starting crates fixed to 600f 200w
SIOUX
- Starting crates fixed to 400f 100w
- "Recruit Buccaneer Fleet" (4 Privateers) shipment moved to Fortress Age (from Industrial); cost increased to 800 coin (from 500)
SPAIN
- Starting crates fixed to 300f 200w
Credits
- @musketeer925 for native tribes rework changes
- @mandosrex for gate transform fix
- Chaos (of the Project Celeste team) for artwork to fix selection bug of Iro walls
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-29]
Time to come back to aoe I guess.
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-29]
Cool stuff
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-29]
Finally, some good fuckin EP
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-29]
Should have probably skipped the beta tbh, since it's been so long we're waiting for this patch, and anyway no one will play on it
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
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Re: EP 9.0.x Beta [2020-07-29]
This is amazing, I'm really excited to try it out
The only thing this is missing is the Halberdier buffs
The only thing this is missing is the Halberdier buffs
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