Change 10 pike to 12 pike

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Change 10 pike to 12 pike

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This shipment is so bad, it basically a quality of life change, and It improves the viability of veteran pike.

10 pike is 800 resource which is basically an age 2shipment.

Currently I think Spain is only civ with access to 12 pike.
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Doesn't matter tbh. You won't send this card regardless.
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hes like the breeze equivalent for the dutch civilisation
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Why worry about sending pike as Dutch when you can send halb instead?
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People need to understand that to talk about balance you need to play more than one civ. Only playing one civ you're always going to think they're shite.
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Riotcoke wrote:People need to understand that to talk about balance you need to play more than one civ. Only playing one civ you're always going to think they're shite.
No, to talk about balance you need to be good enough ^^ (and only talk about civ you know). I don't think spain is shit (on ep8, ep9 is an other story)
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chronique wrote:
Riotcoke wrote:People need to understand that to talk about balance you need to play more than one civ. Only playing one civ you're always going to think they're shite.
No, to talk about balance you need to be good enough ^^ (and only talk about civ you know). I don't think spain is shit (on ep8, ep9 is an other story)
You can''t talk about balance you play one civ.
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Riotcoke wrote: You can''t talk about balance you play one civ.
I can play 2.75 civ
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Lool, tbh this discussion about one civ player is so unnecessary when we have 8 euro civs which are played the same way with only 1 or 2 units difference, and @chronique can play france,spain,iro and if u count lame otto and maybe siox due easy play he can play 5 civs and tbh if u can play france u auto play germany.
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Here's an example, GUA, who has been playing more civs recently, but used to play effectively brit 24/7. Because of this he tends to blame other civs because he doesn't understand the other civs, to point this out he thought japan had the karni-marta wonder. I wonder why this player isn't very good when it comes to balance discussions? Can you point it out to me?
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Riotcoke wrote:Can you point it out to me?
1) I almost never read any post of GUA talking about balance

2) taking one example and generalize it is a pretty bad argument ^^.

We are all biased, we need to know it.
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spain feel fine to me on ep9
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samwise12 wrote:spain feel fine to me on ep9
Realy? I am curious because i feel like on RE now. Atp pretty bad, sometine when you aggro ff you can't send your shipement age 3, and no tp map is unplayable to me (can't native rush without xp trickle). Also, the fixed crate have not a big impact for spain imo, i played some games with iro and they benefit a lot more about that.
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guys i discovered an extremely well tasting and healthy dessert. Take skyr and add a drop of cola sirup to it ===>> cola Skyr. Well tasting with good nutritional value !
breeze wrote: they cant even guess how much f***ing piece of stupid retarded they look they are trying to give lesson to people who are over pr35 and know the best mu. im pretty sure that we need a page that only pr30+ post and then we could have a nice discussins.
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lordraphael wrote:guys i discovered an extremely well tasting and healthy dessert. Take skyr and add a drop of cola sirup to it ===>> cola Skyr. Well tasting with good nutritional value !
Is "good nutritional value" a shit ton of refined sugar? Is this the 90's diet?
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dutchdude117 wrote:This shipment is so bad, it basically a quality of life change, and It improves the viability of veteran pike.

10 pike is 800 resource which is basically an age 2shipment.

Currently I think Spain is only civ with access to 12 pike.
Since hand infantry is a Spanish prerogative, I don’t think that any other civs should have 12 piks shipment as well.
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spain is good atm
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I think you guys are too fixated on the who the poster is, and not the content of the post.

First of all, when I made this post, I wasn't even thinking about dutch, I was thinking about British.

Secondly, civs having inefficient shipments is big problem with card and unit diversity.

Every age has a baseline value for how much a shipment should provide.
For age 1 - 300 resources
Age 2- 700 resources
Age-3 1000 resources
Age-4 1600 resources

If a shipment fails to come close to that baseline it simply will never ever see play.
-1 falconet
-3 lancers
-10 pike
-4 hussar

Cards are supposed to help you start massing units. say you want to mass huss, you make one batch from stable, then upgrade while you send 5 hussar shipment.

I wouldn't say this change is critical, or that it would affect the meta or that it even would see play if buffed.

Say what ever you want about me, but the reasoning for this change is solid and you would be wilfully ignorant to say otherwise.
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1 falconet is a good shipment to hack in for an 11th card for spain
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forgrin wrote:
lordraphael wrote:guys i discovered an extremely well tasting and healthy dessert. Take skyr and add a drop of cola sirup to it ===>> cola Skyr. Well tasting with good nutritional value !
Is "good nutritional value" a shit ton of refined sugar? Is this the 90's diet?
if you add adrop you have like 10 ml. thats like 8 g of sugar and like 34 calories.
breeze wrote: they cant even guess how much f***ing piece of stupid retarded they look they are trying to give lesson to people who are over pr35 and know the best mu. im pretty sure that we need a page that only pr30+ post and then we could have a nice discussins.
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The fuck is skyr
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@Riotcoke, do you think ur knowledge is enough or as good as the players u say who have no knowledge when they even reached a good level or position in tourneys? Even through watching all twitch streams imo a pr 10 player can talk about balance if he isnt dumb or uneducated.
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Problem is that 12 pike is already a card. Maybe 11 pike would be alright though.

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