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whats the reason for skg matches not being canceled from the final standings?
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Honestly they should be
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Barring other good reasons they shouldn't be discounted, because it literally wouldn't affect the playoff race, as MDS would still need 15-10 to qualify over NWC.
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deleted_user wrote:Barring other good reasons they shouldn't be discounted, because it literally wouldn't affect the playoff race, as MDS would still need 15-10 to qualify over NWC.
what has that to do with the final standings and hows that legitimating that it shud count?
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Let's just forget about it
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if u want. im not asking u anyways. its also not to be offensive. im just asking
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CMC can still lose though!
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Why should we remove their points from standing?
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Because they're not a competitive team as we keep getting admin wins from them and they don't even have a champion..? They don't use the same players at all from a week to another so it's unfair for the opposing teams.

Imagine if a team would qualify because SKG essentially fed points?
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What was the other admin win? TLS hasn't showed. I can say the same for opti, he is being a pain at scheduling?

About roster, nowhere says it has to be the same every week.
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Come on, stop the bad faith. Optimus has played every single match so far. Why do you act as if nothing went wrong with SKG lol, it's ridiculous.

It wasn't necessarily "admin wins", but not any better. There was Hazza donating wins and then not playing as a champion anymore. Somppu donating a win and then getting banned. TLS donating the 5th game of his series vs knusch, and now randomly not playing vs me, while he just played vs soldier. Are you gonna pretend all this is "no big deal" or what?

And roster doesn't have to be the same every week but if you don't even have a champion or a top player in your team it's retarded? Or if it's not, can you tell me why you forced SKG to change their pairings vs CMC, when TLS and miggo initially weren't in the roster?
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Kaiserklein wrote:Come on, stop the bad faith. Optimus has played every single match so far. Why do you act as if nothing went wrong with SKG lol, it's ridiculous.
I know it is ridiculous. That's why I mentioned it.
There was Hazza donating wins and then not playing as a champion anymore.
he was banned
Somppu donating a win and then getting banned.
also banned as you say
TLS donating the 5th game of his series vs knusch, and now randomly not playing vs me, while he just played vs soldier. Are you gonna pretend all this is "no big deal" or what?

And roster doesn't have to be the same every week but if you don't even have a champion or a top player in your team it's retarded? Or if it's not, can you tell me why you forced SKG to change their pairings vs CMC, when TLS and miggo initially weren't in the roster?
there were lots of voices against the initial roster, as it was free wins for CMC. My main argument is that it's not SKG's fault rather than certain people's. You can't bring down a whole team, some members that practiced and played to win. It would be unfair to take that out. Now, about removing the points, the effort and time to practice, schedule and play vs SKG members would be for naught.
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How is them being banned supposed to be relevant? I'm talking about the EPL, not about their punishment as individuals. Them being banned (not saying you shouldn't have banned them) just meant SKG became more and more farmable.

Ofc it's not all of SKG's fault, but if the team ruins the event, something has to be done? It's unfortunate for the serious players and for prince, but anyway even if you count the points what does it change for them? SKG is completely out of the league regardless. Their points don't matter for themselves anymore, only for their opponents.
SKG players can still play out their series regardless of points. It's not like playing tourney matches is pointless if it doesn't bring points to a team.

Anyway fortunately it shouldn't affect the standings, so it's not too big of a deal. It could have, though. I guess I'm just done discussing this as you won't change your mind anyway.
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BrookG wrote:Why should we remove their points from standing?
is that a serious question? i can count up alot of reasons
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sebnan12 wrote:
BrookG wrote:Why should we remove their points from standing?
is that a serious question? i can count up alot of reasons
this is a serious question :flowers:
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It sets a bad precedent, that alone is a strong enough reason to not discount their games.
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what action exactly would you be punishing?
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What do you mean? ( assuming you replied to me) I am saying their games should be counted, if I phrased it wrong.
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princeofcarthage wrote:It sets a bad precedent, that alone is a strong enough reason to not discount their games.
This does not make perfectly sense.
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Snuden wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:It sets a bad precedent, that alone is a strong enough reason to not discount their games.
This does not make perfectly sense.
Explain, what doesn't make sense?
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princeofcarthage wrote:
Snuden wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:It sets a bad precedent, that alone is a strong enough reason to not discount their games.
This does not make perfectly sense.
Explain, what doesn't make sense?
I can try...

"It sets a bad precedent" This indicates that you are not in favor of this (letting SKG Clan games count)

"is a strong enough reason to not discount their games" Here you indicate that you don't want SKG Clan to have their games not counting.
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Snuden wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:
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Explain, what doesn't make sense?
I can try...

"It sets a bad precedent" This indicates that you are not in favor of this (letting SKG Clan games count)

"is a strong enough reason to not discount their games" Here you indicate that you don't want SKG Clan to have their games not counting.
Lets try reading shall we?

"It sets a bad precedent, " <------ This indicates I am in favor of SKG games being counted, probably should've mentioned it as it is not implied due to not enough context. But my second part of statement should make it clear regardless.

"that alone is a strong enough reason to not discount their games." <------ This indicates that I am in favor/want SKG games being counted. Even if first part was unclear this should've pretty much cleared it. There is ',' not '.' . "that alone" which references first part of the statement to second part of the statement. I think the statement is perfectly fine.

@BrookG Since you seem to be agreeing :hmm:
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Snuden wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:
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Explain, what doesn't make sense?
I can try...

"It sets a bad precedent" This indicates that you are not in favor of this (letting SKG Clan games count)

"is a strong enough reason to not discount their games" Here you indicate that you don't want SKG Clan to have their games not counting.
Lets try reading shall we?

"It sets a bad precedent, " <------ This indicates I am in favor of SKG games being counted, probably should've mentioned it as it is not implied due to not enough context. But my second part of statement should make it clear regardless.

"that alone is a strong enough reason to not discount their games." <------ This indicates that I am in favor/want SKG games being counted. Even if first part was unclear this should've pretty much cleared it. There is ',' not '.' . "that alone" which references first part of the statement to second part of the statement. I think the statement is perfectly fine.

@BrookG Since you seem to be agreeing :hmm:
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Ok.
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BrookG wrote:
sebnan12 wrote:
BrookG wrote:Why should we remove their points from standing?
is that a serious question? i can count up alot of reasons
this is a serious question :flowers:
alright then ill start at the beginning. after hazza was disqualified, being the champion of skg, for not playing serious, u guys found a replacement for him. that replacement had no interests in playing what so ever. which is the first reason the results from skg arent rlly representive. next up somppu played vs 2 or 3 teams? (dont remember) and then he forfeited from tourney, being the sec best player of skg, meaning all the twams playing vs skg afterwards had easier match ups. second reason for not representive scores. and now tls is also handing out a free 5-0 because of no interest. third reason. and on top of that riotcoke is playing against a pr 10 when there couldve been a real matchup... thats 4 very good reasons not listing up minor things like the somppu resign etc...
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