skg matches

[BrookG]

I'm not sure I understand your use of the word "representive". Nevertheless, I responded in all points in short here viewtopic.php?p=456428#p456392

[Kaiserklein]

Yeah btw any reason why we're doing jackgaming vs riot?

[Goodspeed]

If it doesn't make a difference to who makes it into the playoffs, then who cares?
If it does, not counting is definitely something to consider. It would be unfair if a team doesn't make it into the playoffs only because they had to play the stronger SKG as opposed to the cakewalk one.

[sebnan12]

Come on, stop the bad faith. Optimus has played every single match so far. Why do you act as if nothing went wrong with SKG lol, it's ridiculous.

I know it is ridiculous. That's why I mentioned it.

There was Hazza donating wins and then not playing as a champion anymore.

he was banned

Somppu donating a win and then getting banned.

also banned as you say

TLS donating the 5th game of his series vs knusch, and now randomly not playing vs me, while he just played vs soldier. Are you gonna pretend all this is "no big deal" or what?

And roster doesn't have to be the same every week but if you don't even have a champion or a top player in your team it's retarded? Or if it's not, can you tell me why you forced SKG to change their pairings vs CMC, when TLS and miggo initially weren't in the roster?

there were lots of voices against the initial roster, as it was free wins for CMC. My main argument is that it's not SKG's fault rather than certain people's. You can't bring down a whole team, some members that practiced and played to win. It would be unfair to take that out. Now, about removing the points, the effort and time to practice, schedule and play vs SKG members would be for naught.

thats such a bad way to look at it. in every single sport, esport or any event possible that has to do with teams, if one in the team fuks up, the team gets punished.. the ruling here seems completly wrong. its unfair for the players in the team ofc... but its way more unfair for the opponents. so the rulings made were just wrong imo

[Snuden]

I'll read this thread again once my high has gone away. Maybe tomorrow.

[Imperial Noob]

Come on, stop the bad faith. Optimus has played every single match so far. Why do you act as if nothing went wrong with SKG lol, it's ridiculous.

I know it is ridiculous. That's why I mentioned it.

There was Hazza donating wins and then not playing as a champion anymore.

he was banned

Somppu donating a win and then getting banned.

also banned as you say

TLS donating the 5th game of his series vs knusch, and now randomly not playing vs me, while he just played vs soldier. Are you gonna pretend all this is "no big deal" or what?

And roster doesn't have to be the same every week but if you don't even have a champion or a top player in your team it's retarded? Or if it's not, can you tell me why you forced SKG to change their pairings vs CMC, when TLS and miggo initially weren't in the roster?

there were lots of voices against the initial roster, as it was free wins for CMC. My main argument is that it's not SKG's fault rather than certain people's. You can't bring down a whole team, some members that practiced and played to win. It would be unfair to take that out. Now, about removing the points, the effort and time to practice, schedule and play vs SKG members would be for naught.

thats such a bad way to look at it. in every single sport, esport or any event possible that has to do with teams, if one in the team fuks up, the team gets punished.. the ruling here seems completly wrong. its unfair for the players in the team ofc... but its way more unfair for the opponents. so the rulings made were just wrong imo

This. @BrookG , you cannot circumvent this sentence

[BrookG]

Not sure I follow why should the whole team be punished if one fucks up. So we'll resolve an unfair situation with another unfair one? I don't think that's a sound argument.

[Guigs]

If it doesn't make a difference to who makes it into the playoffs, then who cares?
If it does, not counting is definitely something to consider. It would be unfair if a team doesn't make it into the playoffs only because they had to play the stronger SKG as opposed to the cakewalk one.

Damn that almost reminds me you playing one round and got benched for the last 3 weeks

[Goodspeed]

Not sure I follow why should the whole team be punished if one fucks up. So we'll resolve an unfair situation with another unfair one? I don't think that's a sound argument.

Subjective, but I would say one of the options is considerably less unfair.

[sebnan12]

everything is subjective for someone..

[Snuden]

Maybe for a group of Dunning - Krugers...

[Timurid]

admins are doing their best. i am sure there will be lessons learned for next season epl

[Riotcoke]

Yeah btw any reason why we're doing jackgaming vs riot?

Because he'll win 5-0

[GiBthedurrty]

Not sure I follow why should the whole team be punished if one fucks up. So we'll resolve an unfair situation with another unfair one? I don't think that's a sound argument.

Subjective, but I would say one of the options is considerably less unfair.

GiB sees all. GiB knows all.

[sebnan12]

admins are doing their best. i am sure there will be lessons learned for next season epl

so does zoi. doesnt mean its good

[sebnan12]

Not sure I follow why should the whole team be punished if one fucks up. So we'll resolve an unfair situation with another unfair one? I don't think that's a sound argument.

because its a team event? u qlso get rewarded for doing nothing when others dont fuk up.. this way though u punish other teams

[BrookG]

All individuals that hindered the event were dealt with. I can't see how hitting a dead body fixes this situation. There are 4 teams that spent energy and time to practice, schedule and play vs SKG. All that workforce would be unequally spent compared to CMC. It's a week before playoffs where there are 3 candidates to qualify. CMC would be favoured if they basically had a relaxed week off to and a pass to playoffs.

[princeofcarthage]

Earlier stuff

Come on, stop the bad faith. Optimus has played every single match so far. Why do you act as if nothing went wrong with SKG lol, it's ridiculous.

I know it is ridiculous. That's why I mentioned it.

There was Hazza donating wins and then not playing as a champion anymore.

he was banned

Somppu donating a win and then getting banned.

also banned as you say

TLS donating the 5th game of his series vs knusch, and now randomly not playing vs me, while he just played vs soldier. Are you gonna pretend all this is "no big deal" or what?

And roster doesn't have to be the same every week but if you don't even have a champion or a top player in your team it's retarded? Or if it's not, can you tell me why you forced SKG to change their pairings vs CMC, when TLS and miggo initially weren't in the roster?

there were lots of voices against the initial roster, as it was free wins for CMC. My main argument is that it's not SKG's fault rather than certain people's. You can't bring down a whole team, some members that practiced and played to win. It would be unfair to take that out. Now, about removing the points, the effort and time to practice, schedule and play vs SKG members would be for naught.

thats such a bad way to look at it. in every single sport, esport or any event possible that has to do with teams, if one in the team fuks up, the team gets punished.. the ruling here seems completly wrong. its unfair for the players in the team ofc... but its way more unfair for the opponents. so the rulings made were just wrong imo

1) Team as a whole didn't try to sabotage the event, few individuals did.
2) Those individuals got the appropriate punishment, as such their case is closed.
3) How can you say team didn't get punished? They lost points because their teammate gave free wins. They lost champion and their most valuable player. They are at bottom of the league table and the rest of the team's efforts were for naught. Have you ever heard of an entire team getting banned or disqualified because one or few certain players (Point to note "players") engaged in match fixing?
4) What you are suggesting is completely unheard off, at least to my knowledge. Nowhere in history of any sports, team's entire points and/or rankings have been invalidated in middle of the tournament. Sure teams/players have been disqualified in middle of tournaments(<- This has happened in ESOC tournaments as well) but earlier results invalidated? Never. It sets a very bad precedent and for very good reasons.
5) Its unfortunate what happened, but you don't correct one wrong decision with another.

[knusch]

how exactly would not counting points vs SKG punish remaining players of SKG?

they were unfortunately punished by other teammembers and r out

[amiggo1999]

Not sure I follow why should the whole team be punished if one fucks up. So we'll resolve an unfair situation with another unfair one? I don't think that's a sound argument.

you mean that by making SKG points not count, that would be considered (unfair) punishment to the rest of the SKG team (those that didn't leave)? If so, as a SKG player myself I can say that that would be bs. We are not achieving anything this epl. So I'd rather see fairness for the remaining teams,

[TheNameDaniel]

Not sure I follow why should the whole team be punished if one fucks up. So we'll resolve an unfair situation with another unfair one? I don't think that's a sound argument.

you mean that by making SKG points not count, that would be considered (unfair) punishment to the rest of the SKG team (those that didn't leave)? If so, as a SKG player myself I can say that that would be bs. We are not achieving anything this epl. So I'd rather see fairness for the remaining teams,

Taking out the points won't change anything so I don't see the point.

[n0el]

Because it’s the right thing to do and sets a precedent for the future.

[amiggo1999]

Not sure I follow why should the whole team be punished if one fucks up. So we'll resolve an unfair situation with another unfair one? I don't think that's a sound argument.

you mean that by making SKG points not count, that would be considered (unfair) punishment to the rest of the SKG team (those that didn't leave)? If so, as a SKG player myself I can say that that would be bs. We are not achieving anything this epl. So I'd rather see fairness for the remaining teams,

Taking out the points won't change anything so I don't see the point.

What? Ofc it does. Whether or not NWC has 16 wins, and MDS has 10 wins, or NWC (7) + MDS (3) makes a difference?

[princeofcarthage]

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Not sure I follow why should the whole team be punished if one fucks up. So we'll resolve an unfair situation with another unfair one? I don't think that's a sound argument.

you mean that by making SKG points not count, that would be considered (unfair) punishment to the rest of the SKG team (those that didn't leave)? If so, as a SKG player myself I can say that that would be bs. We are not achieving anything this epl. So I'd rather see fairness for the remaining teams,

Taking out the points won't change anything so I don't see the point.

What? Ofc it does. Whether or not NWC has 16 wins, and MDS has 10 wins, or NWC (7) + MDS (3) makes a difference?

Even if you discount SKG games, NN, Bigs, are practically out. MDS still needs 15-10 as it needs now, CMC still guaranteed a playoff spot. So yes nothing relevant changes, I don't think how you end up on table +5 or +7 is relevant.

[amiggo1999]

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Not sure I follow why should the whole team be punished if one fucks up. So we'll resolve an unfair situation with another unfair one? I don't think that's a sound argument.

you mean that by making SKG points not count, that would be considered (unfair) punishment to the rest of the SKG team (those that didn't leave)? If so, as a SKG player myself I can say that that would be bs. We are not achieving anything this epl. So I'd rather see fairness for the remaining teams,

Taking out the points won't change anything so I don't see the point.

What? Ofc it does. Whether or not NWC has 16 wins, and MDS has 10 wins, or NWC (7) + MDS (3) makes a difference?

Even if you discount SKG games, NN, Bigs, are practically out. MDS still needs 15-10 as it needs now, CMC still guaranteed a playoff spot. So yes nothing relevant changes, I don't think how you end up on table +5 or +7 is relevant.

well if MDS needs 2 less wins with SKG points being excluded ofc that's relevant. We will see at the end of the week if they still qualify, but if they barely don't cause of a 2 point difference due to SKG's inconsistency that would suck.