Bottomans need 6 janis shipment

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Bottomans need 6 janis shipment

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Janissaries nerfed in hp, now cost 90f 25c.

5 Shipping Janis I see it quite devalued (575 resources), I think it should be raised to 6 (690 resources). This is not crazy.

The card of 5 abus in third age i see it devalued after his "balance" in stats/a bit nerf (750 resources), I think it should be raised to 6 (900 resources).

There are people that don't like bottos but i think that is the most fair.
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And then you don't understand why you get "hostile" answers.
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I think we know too little to make a serious approach to balance otto. But if we were to rebalance them, we should give them trainable spahi.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:And then you don't understand why you get "hostile" answers.
If I'm not mistaken, you don't love the Bottomans very much.

I think that contributing ideas of balance, with a minimum knowledge of the game, can help sometimes.

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I think every Otto shipment should come with a spahi.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:And then you don't understand why you get "hostile" answers.
Oh come on. Can you at least try to be a bit more welcoming and friendly to new members...?
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EfraĆ­n wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:And then you don't understand why you get "hostile" answers.
If I'm not mistaken, you don't love the Bottomans very much.

I think that contributing ideas of balance, with a minimum knowledge of the game, can help sometimes.

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Yes, with a minimum knowledge of the game.
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Apart from subjective feelings of fairness (just look at this miserable 5 Uhlan shipment!), I think we need to take a look at the situation in the weeks after the game is properly released. Maybe the issue you describe does not matter too much in actual games. Should Ottomans really underperform due to the changes, then your proposal might be a good solution.
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Don't know if otto need to be buff. Currently, all standar map are tp map, also otto have 5 vili shipement now, and you can build tc with vili (it's the same for all euro civ but i think it's better for otto).
Maybe i miss something but otto seem more than fine ^^
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chronique wrote:Don't know if otto need to be buff. Currently, all standar map are tp map, also otto have 5 vili shipement now, and you can build tc with vili (it's the same for all euro civ but i think it's better for otto).
Maybe i miss something but otto seem more than fine ^^
In my personal opinion and since 2007 I have always thought that the cards of all ages should be competitive to favor more BO.

I know how difficult it is to balance a civilization so that it can have MUs even or nearly even.

Logically I don't have PR40+ because of my timing and mic skills, but I speak from my experience as a veteran player.
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If you re not pr30 that's not because of micro.
Besides 5jans and 5 Abus are in every Otto deck and are sent often, which proves that they re totally viable shipments.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:If you re not pr30 that's not because of micro.
Besides 5jans and 5 Abus are in every Otto deck and are sent often, which proves that they re totally viable shipments.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:If you re not pr30 that's not because of micro.
Besides 5jans and 5 Abus are in every Otto deck and are sent often, which proves that they re totally viable shipments.
I said mic skills, timing, there are also other reasons but that's not what the thread is about and that does not invalidate me to know the game, or do you think so?

I have never said that 5 janis and 5 abus are not frequent shipments, it is normal since the Ottomans need military shipments and they have no choice but to use them.

It makes me laugh because the possibility of including the 6 sepoys (most expensive) with India was debated in EP 9.0 because of the nerf they suffered.

If referential players like you are answering me in that way, I can understand later that the community does not grow as it should.

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EfraĆ­n wrote:Janissaries nerfed in hp, now cost 90f 25c.

5 Shipping Janis I see it quite devalued (575 resources), I think it should be raised to 6 (690 resources).
Maybe it should be changed to "Ship 5 Old Janissaries", which have the former amount of hp.

I dont think that it is good to increase the number of jans by one just because they have 25 less hp each (which means 125 hp less in total, while having same attack as before). That would be a strong and unjustified buff to the card in my opinion. Compare it to 6 musk shipment please.
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richard wrote:
EfraĆ­n wrote:Janissaries nerfed in hp, now cost 90f 25c.

5 Shipping Janis I see it quite devalued (575 resources), I think it should be raised to 6 (690 resources).
Maybe it should be changed to "Ship 5 Old Janissaries", which have the former amount of hp.

I dont think that it is good to increase the number of jans by one just because they have 25 less hp each (which means 125 hp less in total, while having same attack as before). That would be a strong and unjustified buff to the card in my opinion. Compare it to 6 musk shipment please.
You are right in that, if there is a shipment of only 6 musketeers in second age, why should there be one of 6 of Janissaries?

I consider that a shipment of 7 musketeers (700 resources) would not seem bad considering that there are shipments of 5 Cossacks (750), 10 Macelhuatines (700), 7 rodeleros (700), etc.

Look closely if there is any shipment of military units from any civilization that has less than 600 resources to see if you find any, I only see the one with 5 janis.

Or the Janissaries must be as before or 6 Janissaries, if it cannot be, I see a devalued shipment (but necessary due to lack of military shipments in second)

Thanks for giving your point of view.
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Theres a lot of <600 res military shipments. 5 coyote is a noteable one, 3 uhlans (5 uhlan ship is 3 uhlan +2 free ones) is also absolutely atrocious
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dansil92 wrote:Theres a lot of <600 res military shipments. 5 coyote is a noteable one, 3 uhlans (5 uhlan ship is 3 uhlan +2 free ones) is also absolutely atrocious
6* coyote.

Only the 5 uhlans send is the lowest, which clearly compensates with the good economy and all the good sendings that the German has especially in 3rd age.
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Its 5 coyo
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dansil92 wrote:Its 5 coyo
I see 6 in the DE, maybe I'm blind.
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I feel you don't entirely understand how the game works.
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richard wrote:
EfraĆ­n wrote:Janissaries nerfed in hp, now cost 90f 25c.

5 Shipping Janis I see it quite devalued (575 resources), I think it should be raised to 6 (690 resources).
Maybe it should be changed to "Ship 5 Old Janissaries", which have the former amount of hp.

I dont think that it is good to increase the number of jans by one just because they have 25 less hp each (which means 125 hp less in total, while having same attack as before). That would be a strong and unjustified buff to the card in my opinion. Compare it to 6 musk shipment please.
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Military shipments should be worse than crates, else you wouldn't want to send crates
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Did they seriously give azzy 6 coyote on DE...
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@dansil92 did you now know that playing azzy is basically a 10% handicap?
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yea this has been said very often on this site already, but to repeat, military shipments tend to be around 100 ress less than their crate equivalents (in the same age). Classic examples: 6musk, 3 huss, 8pike, 8bow; 8skirm, 5goon, 9musk..
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