Even if you go in with Rods and your opponent has 30 musk, the half of them will still fire (except you are splitting manually all your rods that the musks have to melee, what is unrealistic) a attack buff like 1+ point would do better as buff. Still i think it isnt really necessary.helln00 wrote:I guess I want them to be vulnerable against range units so thats just a different opinion. though if its musks that people are worried about then melee resist still matters cause u want them to charge in and force musks into melee. another thing you can do is decrease their collision box like what happened with steppe riders to allow them to slip into enemy formations and force melee combatRohbrot wrote:The thread is actually about "how can we make rods more effective against HI" if you read the posts and increasing melee resist isnt a solution.Show hidden quotes
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The only way Rodeleros could win versus Musketeers is with a human wave attack, which is an extremely dangerous and costly tactic in most cases. It is imperative for them to charge into the enemy line in the shortest time and in the greatest numbers possible if they wish to succeed. The point of this tactic is that a sufficient mass of them can be preserved when they reach melee range so they can overwhelm the enemy. Basically having balls of steel and expecting heavy losses is the way to go.Rohbrot wrote:Even if you go in with Rods and your opponent has 30 musk, the half of them will still fire (except you are splitting manually all your rods that the musks have to melee, what is unrealistic) a attack buff like 1+ point would do better as buff. Still i think it isnt really necessary.helln00 wrote:I guess I want them to be vulnerable against range units so thats just a different opinion. though if its musks that people are worried about then melee resist still matters cause u want them to charge in and force musks into melee. another thing you can do is decrease their collision box like what happened with steppe riders to allow them to slip into enemy formations and force melee combatShow hidden quotes
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Cant believe i have to explain this basic shit but i guess i do because people dont know how the civ works.
Spanish units are very hard counters and they each compliment each other. Buffing rods vs heavy inf just gives them way too much versatility as they would do well vs almost every other unit in the game with 6 speed.
It would be the same as buffing lancers vs hand cav because they lose to hand cav THATS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CASE because they beat heavy inf and ranged inf.
Spain has been buffed to oblivion and people still complain when its clearly a top civ. Just learn the civ if you wanna make it work
Spanish units are very hard counters and they each compliment each other. Buffing rods vs heavy inf just gives them way too much versatility as they would do well vs almost every other unit in the game with 6 speed.
It would be the same as buffing lancers vs hand cav because they lose to hand cav THATS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CASE because they beat heavy inf and ranged inf.
Spain has been buffed to oblivion and people still complain when its clearly a top civ. Just learn the civ if you wanna make it work
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Just ignore the thread I think, no one in their right mind will buff rods
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There is a pattern to these threads. Some silly suggestion > other not so competitive players chime in while med-high level players cba > high level player comes it to shoot the bad idea down to stop it from spreading.
I've seen this multiple times on this forum and a couple of times on the official forum too. Unfortunately good players seem to not visit that place enough, with good reason.
I've seen this multiple times on this forum and a couple of times on the official forum too. Unfortunately good players seem to not visit that place enough, with good reason.
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
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I'm not even a top player and I find the nooby rubbish on there ridiculously frustrating. It's far worse than on ESOC, and there are fewer sane voices. Would be nice to have a place to discuss mod ideas rather than mixing many outlandish suggestions with balance ideas.harcha wrote:There is a pattern to these threads. Some silly suggestion > other not so competitive players chime in while med-high level players cba > high level player comes it to shoot the bad idea down to stop it from spreading.
I've seen this multiple times on this forum and a couple of times on the official forum too. Unfortunately good players seem to not visit that place enough, with good reason.
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Don't forget the casual troll posts that fuel the fireharcha wrote:There is a pattern to these threads. Some silly suggestion > other not so competitive players chime in while med-high level players cba > high level player comes it to shoot the bad idea down to stop it from spreading.
I've seen this multiple times on this forum and a couple of times on the official forum too. Unfortunately good players seem to not visit that place enough, with good reason.
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i didn't even consider the possibility of you calling me outduckzilla wrote:Don't forget the casual troll posts that fuel the fireharcha wrote:There is a pattern to these threads. Some silly suggestion > other not so competitive players chime in while med-high level players cba > high level player comes it to shoot the bad idea down to stop it from spreading.
I've seen this multiple times on this forum and a couple of times on the official forum too. Unfortunately good players seem to not visit that place enough, with good reason.
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
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Re: Rodelero vs Heavy Infantry
infinite 1% speed upgrade card
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Would this act on the base stats or on the currrent stats? I can imagine using such a card against treaty noobs for some fun if the latter.deleted_user wrote:infinite 1% speed upgrade card
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base like every upgrade in the game
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Possibly the best idea of a card after advanced mill.deleted_user wrote:infinite 1% speed upgrade card
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i wanted to continue the discussion on callens suggestion but i refrained. let's end this thread
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
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You are so heartlesschris1089 wrote:Would this act on the base stats or on the currrent stats? I can imagine using such a card against treaty noobs for some fun if the latter.deleted_user wrote:infinite 1% speed upgrade card
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Let's continue till the thread gets locked tbh.harcha wrote:i wanted to continue the discussion on callens suggestion but i refrained. let's end this thread
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Don't you really think that the rodelero's hp (we're not talking about the bonus anymore because it's more than debated) is slightly low?Hazza54321 wrote:Cant believe i have to explain this basic shit but i guess i do because people dont know how the civ works.
Spanish units are very hard counters and they each compliment each other. Buffing rods vs heavy inf just gives them way too much versatility as they would do well vs almost every other unit in the game with 6 speed.
It would be the same as buffing lancers vs hand cav because they lose to hand cav THATS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CASE because they beat heavy inf and ranged inf.
Spain has been buffed to oblivion and people still complain when its clearly a top civ. Just learn the civ if you wanna make it work
Be honest, it seems a little weak in that regard for the cost.
By the way, Spain since the beta of the DE has been suffering from nerfs. There are some examples.
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Re: Rodelero vs Heavy Infantry
Someone else take over, id rather watch grass grow or talk to a wall
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Controversial opinion: OP is just Rojo's second account and Bramboy ignored it and let it happen bc he wants to fuel disharmony as the evil shadow dictator he is
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Re: Rodelero vs Heavy Infantry
Rods is not weak at all. Rods alone are not super good but in mass they counter cav a way more efficiently than dragoon, and with lancer you can dismantle a big mass of skirm/goon as your lancer destroy skirm and rods destroy goon, that's mean he must sacrifice all of its skirm just to not lose his whole army. How do you counter rods when your skirms are usless because you can't protec them from lancer?Efraín wrote:
Don't you really think that the rodelero's hp (we're not talking about the bonus anymore because it's more than debated) is slightly low?
Be honest, it seems a little weak in that regard for the cost.
By the way, Spain since the beta of the DE has been suffering from nerfs. There are some examples.
Also, spain received a ton of buff from RE, i can't memorise all of them, and they received buff from EP too (unnecessary buff imo). This is the most buffed civ from RE to DE by far
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Lol if you want to give multi to HI as rods then you are playing Malta v2 ,go play WOL and get yourself experienced xD (meant to say broken )
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I understand your point, Mr. Poisson.chronique wrote:Rods is not weak at all. Rods alone are not super good but in mass they counter cav a way more efficiently than dragoon, and with lancer you can dismantle a big mass of skirm/goon as your lancer destroy skirm and rods destroy goon, that's mean he must sacrifice all of its skirm just to not lose his whole army. How do you counter rods when your skirms are usless because you can't protec them from lancer?Efraín wrote:
Don't you really think that the rodelero's hp (we're not talking about the bonus anymore because it's more than debated) is slightly low?
Be honest, it seems a little weak in that regard for the cost.
By the way, Spain since the beta of the DE has been suffering from nerfs. There are some examples.
Also, spain received a ton of buff from RE, i can't memorise all of them, and they received buff from EP too (unnecessary buff imo). This is the most buffed civ from RE to DE by far
I still think that the way the rodelero was designed was wrong, but that is my personal opinion.
Spain was the worst overrall civ in the game, it received buffs of course, they also backed down with others in the DE (like Caballeros) and we can also mention that it has one of the worst economies in the game at the moment (they have only 1-¿2? attacks in his ff), also counting that it is very weak at age two and it has a predictable archaic FI.
For all that, although I think it is not a bad civ today, but it is not comparable to France, Germany, Japan, Great Britain or others with a superior economy.
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Re: Rodelero vs Heavy Infantry
Caballero was buffed from RE and spain eco is at the same level as german or france with spanish gold, can be better with atp. Also their mid forteress are super god like with skirm/rods/lancer (which is supperior to what france can do) and in late game you have unction, what do you want ^^. Spain have never been as strong as they are, the question is, are you not biased toward the civ you play the most?
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Spain had never a great economy compared to other civs, but they benefit from their cp curve and possibility of ATP/Revolt/FI to win games. You wont win any Age2 game vs any civ (if its not an unscouted lame rush) vs civs which arent crap either in Age2. @chronique , you are saying Rod/Lancers melt skirm/goon, but you forgot to mention that a constant Lancer batch of 5 is not possible with a constant batch of 5 Rods, before like 10-11 mins and that when you had a shipment or time to send 1000k wood to build a stable, vet up rods, houses and a possible tp(if it got destroyed or if u wanna build a second one). Overall, i think people still dont know how efficient it is to counter rod/lancer with any RI that can get CIR and a goon-type unit that can get carolean.
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Re: Rodelero vs Heavy Infantry
1) SG = 10 vills, so you have a great eco
2) you don't need to train any lancer before 15 min, you need a full skirm/rods prod from two rax. When you have 30 skirm and 50 rods, then you can start the lancer prod.
3) CIR is fun until you have 20 lancer with caba + cc charging your stuff, and then your skirms become usless ^^. Lancer with cc + caba deal 92 damage at skirms, this is more than most of any imperial cav, and nothing your goon can do because rods chasing them.
2) you don't need to train any lancer before 15 min, you need a full skirm/rods prod from two rax. When you have 30 skirm and 50 rods, then you can start the lancer prod.
3) CIR is fun until you have 20 lancer with caba + cc charging your stuff, and then your skirms become usless ^^. Lancer with cc + caba deal 92 damage at skirms, this is more than most of any imperial cav, and nothing your goon can do because rods chasing them.
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