Pikeman line of sight so small
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Pikeman line of sight so small
Can someone tell me why pike have such low line of sight (12)? it really makes no sense to me. What makes me think of this is how hard it is to siege shrines safely with pikeman . Usually they end up getting gunned down by ashi.
Do you think Dev should buff line of sight on pikes?
Do you think Dev should buff line of sight on pikes?
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
Well doesnt hussar have the same problem? i always find their LOS too small too. maybe thats why i always need LOS card.
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
It's so that you would have to pay attention when marching troops in the darkness. If you wanna see incoming ashi counter-raid, scout ahead with 1 pike or explorer.
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
Obviously Pikis have a low LOS because their massive pikis obstruct their vision. Relatable tbh.
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
yeah. Tercios sombreros don´t help either i thinkscarm wrote:Obviously Pikis have a low LOS because their massive pikis obstruct their vision. Relatable tbh.
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
surprised swiss pikeman and blind monks have any LOS to be honest
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
And elmeti?
Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
I_HaRRiiSoN_I wrote:surprised swiss pikeman and blind monks have any LOS to be honest
we all know that blind monks are like bats, their los are like hearing
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
I think you should stop asking for a buff to every dutch unit.
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
Technically Pikes are not a Dutch only unitRiotcoke wrote:I think you should stop asking for a buff to every dutch unit.
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
Why are pikes unique in this? Why don't other units need to scout ahead? You could make that same argument for any units ranged or melee tbhharcha wrote:It's so that you would have to pay attention when marching troops in the darkness. If you wanna see incoming ashi counter-raid, scout ahead with 1 pike or explorer.
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
They are not unique, you need to pay attention to any troops you send into the darkness. It's just that melee units have less LOS. It's still quite impossible to pull back musk without damage because 2 range visibility (LOS over range) isn't enough to react fast enough.
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
The next update needs to change Blind monks LOS to 0.I_HaRRiiSoN_I wrote:surprised swiss pikeman and blind monks have any LOS to be honest
Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
Onlydutchdude117 wrote:Technically Pikes are not a Dutch only unitRiotcoke wrote:I think you should stop asking for a buff to every dutch unit.
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
Ranged units have more LOS than melee units, that's just how it works. You need more LOS than range so the unit shoots properly. I see it as a feature for ranged units, one of their advantages is the extra LOS.dutchdude117 wrote:Why are pikes unique in this? Why don't other units need to scout ahead? You could make that same argument for any units ranged or melee tbhharcha wrote:It's so that you would have to pay attention when marching troops in the darkness. If you wanna see incoming ashi counter-raid, scout ahead with 1 pike or explorer.
Now we could argue that melee units overall could be buffed by having slightly more LOS, but why focus on pikes?
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
I debated on whether to make this post about all melee units or just pikes, and settled on just pikes for a more precise discussion. But I agree with you.Kaiserklein wrote:Ranged units have more LOS than melee units, that's just how it works. You need more LOS than range so the unit shoots properly. I see it as a feature for ranged units, one of their advantages is the extra LOS.dutchdude117 wrote:Why are pikes unique in this? Why don't other units need to scout ahead? You could make that same argument for any units ranged or melee tbhharcha wrote:It's so that you would have to pay attention when marching troops in the darkness. If you wanna see incoming ashi counter-raid, scout ahead with 1 pike or explorer.
Now we could argue that melee units overall could be buffed by having slightly more LOS, but why focus on pikes?
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
I think pikes should have a lesser LOS than musk. Does anyone have the stats available, how much LOS do they have for musk pike hussar and skirm?
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
Cmiiw, but I think all melee and shock nfantry have 12 LOS range, while all melee cavalry have something 14-15. For ranged unit I believe it's their base range +4, so skirmisher with 20 range will have 24 LOS while musketeers have 16 LOS.harcha wrote:I think pikes should have a lesser LOS than musk. Does anyone have the stats available, how much LOS do they have for musk pike hussar and skirm?
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
Musketeer 16 LOS: https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Musketeerharcha wrote:I think pikes should have a lesser LOS than musk. Does anyone have the stats available, how much LOS do they have for musk pike hussar and skirm?
Pikeman 12 LOS: https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Pi ... pires_III)
Hussar 15 LOS: https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Hu ... pires_III)
Skirmisher 24 LOS: https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Sk ... pires_III)
Yumi 22 LOS: https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Yumi_Archer
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
From this information I can easily see pike getting LOS buff to 15 LOS
Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
things should be changed if they affect the overall balance of gameplay. pikeman LOS does not. therefore it should not be changed
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
I would say this is more of a quality of life buff than a significant balance change.Squamiger wrote:things should be changed if they affect the overall balance of gameplay. pikeman LOS does not. therefore it should not be changed
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That doesn't make sense. The only melee unit to compare it to there costs 2.5 times as much and had 1.25 times the los.dutchdude117 wrote:From this information I can easily see pike getting LOS buff to 15 LOS
A halberdier would be interesting to compare it to.
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Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
It is 12 LOS for halberdiers https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Ha ... pires_III)chris1089 wrote:That doesn't make sense. The only melee unit to compare it to there costs 2.5 times as much and had 1.25 times the los.dutchdude117 wrote:From this information I can easily see pike getting LOS buff to 15 LOS
A halberdier would be interesting to compare it to.
I would also say halbs should get 15+ LOS
Re: Pikeman line of sight so small
Are Rajput's, changdaos etc 12 too? It sounds like a melee infantry thing.dutchdude117 wrote:It is 12 LOS for halberdiers https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Ha ... pires_III)chris1089 wrote:That doesn't make sense. The only melee unit to compare it to there costs 2.5 times as much and had 1.25 times the los.dutchdude117 wrote:From this information I can easily see pike getting LOS buff to 15 LOS
A halberdier would be interesting to compare it to.
I would also say halbs should get 15+ LOS
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