Pikeman line of sight so small

[dutchdude117]

Can someone tell me why pike have such low line of sight (12)? it really makes no sense to me. What makes me think of this is how hard it is to siege shrines safely with pikeman . Usually they end up getting gunned down by ashi.

Do you think Dev should buff line of sight on pikes?

[Hago the carrier]

Well doesnt hussar have the same problem? i always find their LOS too small too. maybe thats why i always need LOS card.

[harcha]

It's so that you would have to pay attention when marching troops in the darkness. If you wanna see incoming ashi counter-raid, scout ahead with 1 pike or explorer.

[scarm]

Obviously Pikis have a low LOS because their massive pikis obstruct their vision. Relatable tbh.

[Hago the carrier]

Obviously Pikis have a low LOS because their massive pikis obstruct their vision. Relatable tbh.

yeah. Tercios sombreros don´t help either i think

[I_HaRRiiSoN_I]

surprised swiss pikeman and blind monks have any LOS to be honest

[Hago the carrier]

And elmeti?

[helln00]

surprised swiss pikeman and blind monks have any LOS to be honest

we all know that blind monks are like bats, their los are like hearing

[Riotcoke]

I think you should stop asking for a buff to every dutch unit.

[dutchdude117]

I think you should stop asking for a buff to every dutch unit.

Technically Pikes are not a Dutch only unit

[dutchdude117]

It's so that you would have to pay attention when marching troops in the darkness. If you wanna see incoming ashi counter-raid, scout ahead with 1 pike or explorer.

Why are pikes unique in this? Why don't other units need to scout ahead? You could make that same argument for any units ranged or melee tbh

[harcha]

They are not unique, you need to pay attention to any troops you send into the darkness. It's just that melee units have less LOS. It's still quite impossible to pull back musk without damage because 2 range visibility (LOS over range) isn't enough to react fast enough.

[randerzbobanderz]

surprised swiss pikeman and blind monks have any LOS to be honest

The next update needs to change Blind monks LOS to 0.

[chris1089]

I think you should stop asking for a buff to every dutch unit.

Technically Pikes are not a Dutch only unit

Only

[Kaiserklein]

It's so that you would have to pay attention when marching troops in the darkness. If you wanna see incoming ashi counter-raid, scout ahead with 1 pike or explorer.

Why are pikes unique in this? Why don't other units need to scout ahead? You could make that same argument for any units ranged or melee tbh

Ranged units have more LOS than melee units, that's just how it works. You need more LOS than range so the unit shoots properly. I see it as a feature for ranged units, one of their advantages is the extra LOS.
Now we could argue that melee units overall could be buffed by having slightly more LOS, but why focus on pikes?

[dutchdude117]

It's so that you would have to pay attention when marching troops in the darkness. If you wanna see incoming ashi counter-raid, scout ahead with 1 pike or explorer.

Why are pikes unique in this? Why don't other units need to scout ahead? You could make that same argument for any units ranged or melee tbh

Ranged units have more LOS than melee units, that's just how it works. You need more LOS than range so the unit shoots properly. I see it as a feature for ranged units, one of their advantages is the extra LOS.
Now we could argue that melee units overall could be buffed by having slightly more LOS, but why focus on pikes?

I debated on whether to make this post about all melee units or just pikes, and settled on just pikes for a more precise discussion. But I agree with you.

[harcha]

I think pikes should have a lesser LOS than musk. Does anyone have the stats available, how much LOS do they have for musk pike hussar and skirm?

[arivus]

I think pikes should have a lesser LOS than musk. Does anyone have the stats available, how much LOS do they have for musk pike hussar and skirm?

Cmiiw, but I think all melee and shock nfantry have 12 LOS range, while all melee cavalry have something 14-15. For ranged unit I believe it's their base range +4, so skirmisher with 20 range will have 24 LOS while musketeers have 16 LOS.

[dutchdude117]

I think pikes should have a lesser LOS than musk. Does anyone have the stats available, how much LOS do they have for musk pike hussar and skirm?

Musketeer 16 LOS: https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Musketeer
Pikeman 12 LOS: https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Pi ... pires_III)
Hussar 15 LOS: https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Hu ... pires_III)
Skirmisher 24 LOS: https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Sk ... pires_III)
Yumi 22 LOS: https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Yumi_Archer

[dutchdude117]

From this information I can easily see pike getting LOS buff to 15 LOS

[Squamiger]

things should be changed if they affect the overall balance of gameplay. pikeman LOS does not. therefore it should not be changed

[dutchdude117]

things should be changed if they affect the overall balance of gameplay. pikeman LOS does not. therefore it should not be changed

I would say this is more of a quality of life buff than a significant balance change.

[chris1089]

From this information I can easily see pike getting LOS buff to 15 LOS

That doesn't make sense. The only melee unit to compare it to there costs 2.5 times as much and had 1.25 times the los.
A halberdier would be interesting to compare it to.

[dutchdude117]

From this information I can easily see pike getting LOS buff to 15 LOS

That doesn't make sense. The only melee unit to compare it to there costs 2.5 times as much and had 1.25 times the los.
A halberdier would be interesting to compare it to.

It is 12 LOS for halberdiers https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Ha ... pires_III)

I would also say halbs should get 15+ LOS

[chris1089]

From this information I can easily see pike getting LOS buff to 15 LOS

That doesn't make sense. The only melee unit to compare it to there costs 2.5 times as much and had 1.25 times the los.
A halberdier would be interesting to compare it to.

It is 12 LOS for halberdiers https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Ha ... pires_III)

I would also say halbs should get 15+ LOS

Are Rajput's, changdaos etc 12 too? It sounds like a melee infantry thing.