Update 14825

[Garja]

Anyway caro/xbow are more worst than musk/xbow, u can't put the caro in melee mod for anti cav and the shoot of caro are not rlly "good" in age 2, or u need a good mass compare to the melee mod of the musk.

You don't put musk in melee anyway with musk/xbow, mostly you just kite at which caros are more effective. Also with 30% resistance they actually tank more damage from snaring cav.

It just depends on the situation but musk is clearly superior compare to age 2 caro

No, caroleans are better than musks actually. Same hp more base damage, 30% melee resistance and more speed. They do cost slightly more.

[kevinitalien]

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Anyway caro/xbow are more worst than musk/xbow, u can't put the caro in melee mod for anti cav and the shoot of caro are not rlly "good" in age 2, or u need a good mass compare to the melee mod of the musk.

You don't put musk in melee anyway with musk/xbow, mostly you just kite at which caros are more effective. Also with 30% resistance they actually tank more damage from snaring cav.

It just depends on the situation but musk is clearly superior compare to age 2 caro

No, caroleans are better than musks actually. Same hp more base damage, 30% melee resistance and more speed. They do cost slightly more.

and 2.5 for rof i believe

[Garja]

Ye that's why they have more ranged base damage. Also they have more melee damage.

[arivus]

I'm just gonna copy my opinion on aoe3 forum:

I got mixed opinion about the torp change. I support of the more useful card change but I’m afraid that would make Sweden to only once again train 30 villager or less.

I argue that now with the addition of xbow and the 5% bonus stats for merc, it should also revert the cheaper fusilier contract now that Sweden have a way to deal with age 2 zamburak. That’s all my opinion about the Sweden change.

About the chinese change I was like wut? The village, wonder, and forbidden buff is small but good enough. The problem I see is the 5% bonus increase on the standard army increase.

What Chinese army need is flat increase instead of a percentage increase. One can argue that flat hp increase would make China ff mass army more difficult to deal with, but that mass army is comprised of only infantry, so I say increase the base hp of all Chinese cavalry unit. Keshik from 110 to 125, Steppe Rider from 150 to 165, Meteor Hammer from 217 to 230, Iron Flail from 292 to 300.

Reason with the change above is: for Keshik when they’re fully upgraded their hp is only like 300 which is similar to non royal guard non carded musketeer, for Steppe Rider, Meteor Hammer, and Iron Flail it is because this 3 units is too specialized and bad at what they do, and only when combined then they are comparable to what other civilization Hussar-like unit do. Steppe Rider have the (25)siege damage and speed but worse in other things, Meteor Hammer have the normal (29)damage but do not have survivability and their siege damage is only 13, and Iron Flail have survivability but no damage.

The saddest army Chinese have is Changdao and Flamethrower. Once the old dynasty card is sent Changdao have no use as Qiang is still the best option, late game Changdao only have use when the player runs out of wood. Flamethrower ever since they’re available in age 2 are already lose to Chu Ko Nu, in age 3 they lose to Arquebus, and in age4-5 there is no more need for this unit.

[gibson]

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The swedish papal guard only affects their pikes, they cannot have guard xbows

I love the fact that they release updates without ever testing them. It just shows how inept/unskilled/lazy they are.

Dumb take from a dumb poster. You realize at this point everyone has seen what a raging hate boner you have for the game nobody takes you seriously( You’re probably just mad your pc is too shit to run it).You’re a joke, which is really hard to do given the people on this forum.

What a shameful display.

You know what’s also shameful? That people like you chased others off the forums with your constant toxicity, stupidity and negativity. It’s actually ironic that you call me “shameful” for calling you an idiot where 1 post before you called the game devs( many of who are on this forum or have been on this forum) lazy inept and unskilled. You’re a fucking idiot and a hypocrite. It’s also funny that a staff member calls me out for acting the same way you act toward the devs.

Arguing with a fool only proves there are two. You should calm down.

Where do you see me arguing with you? I’m calling you a fucking moron not trying to convince you the earth is round.

[firstaim]

Welp. As per Aussie's stream I think we can surmise Sweden are broken. Beating Kaiser with 12vills...

https://clips.twitch.tv/ColdbloodedLightWormSwiftRage

What most Sweden players cried in forums after nerfed in the previous patch, Sweden was unplayable unless Sweden is like this.

[Astaroth]

Welp. As per Aussie's stream I think we can surmise Sweden are broken. Beating Kaiser with 12vills...

https://clips.twitch.tv/ColdbloodedLightWormSwiftRage

It's a funny meme, but the game is a bad example. It was also already over by the time the vills were lost. If one player loses his whole army and the other has his army mostly left, it doesn't really matter if the winner of the fight has 5, 15 or 50 vills tbh.

Aside from that, not sure if the strat and build by Kaiser were really optimal (that's what other top players said in Aussie chat):
- train lots of uhlans age2, kill no vills, siege 2 shrines and kill like 5 caros in exchange for like 3-4 uhlans
- mass uhlan, jaeger and like 5 WW (barely any anti cav) vs. double stable upgraded mass huss/caro age2

That's not to say that the civ or MU are fine, just don't think the game is a good example to show that. Obviously Kaiser knows much better than me or most other players, but he doesn't always play perfectly, either, of course.

[firstaim]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/899224758?t=1h14m51s

Watch from this.

Again house can gather resource is a joke compared to other houses.
They still have better eco, carolean can speed up to catch your skirm/jaeger, etc.

Even Sweden is still at the weakest age, age2.

[n0el]

Have you heard of shrines?

[gibson]

If Kaiser lost to aussie drongo it’s cause he played terrible, it doesn’t say anything about balance, although I’m sure he would blame the civ instead of his mistakes as per usual.

[Donye]

I still think it's disgustingly broken, but your arguments are rational and well presented. I am only a low elo scrub so that will obviously bias my opinion.

I guess all we can do is wait and see :)

[chronique]

Dev realy need to share their stats, what was the reason for this heavy sweden buff 2 week after an heavy nerf. The first balance patch was a India nerf based on stats winrate, and the nerf was irrelevent, same with lakota, and now we have this kind of balance change? Like what, swe was at 70% of winrate before the nerf and 30% after? Because you can't know where is the issu if you change everything.

[gibson]

I still think it's disgustingly broken, but your arguments are rational and well presented. I am only a low elo scrub so that will obviously bias my opinion.

I guess all we can do is wait and see :)

well I didn’t say whether or not it’s broken cause I don’t know if it is not. I’m just saying that isn’t evidence it is.

[kevinitalien]

for my part I did a semi ff xbow caro 8 min30 age 3 with full torp, 10 min I had 15 jeager and some caro and 14 min age 4, age 1 I did 3 v blueberry with tp, my opponent had no way to push me age 2 because I have 8 pik, 2 canon, 8 crossbow and 3 huss in my deck, i don't think its fair really

[Jotunir]

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The swedish papal guard only affects their pikes, they cannot have guard xbows

I love the fact that they release updates without ever testing them. It just shows how inept/unskilled/lazy they are.

Dumb take from a dumb poster. You realize at this point everyone has seen what a raging hate boner you have for the game nobody takes you seriously( You’re probably just mad your pc is too shit to run it).You’re a joke, which is really hard to do given the people on this forum.

What a shameful display.

You know what’s also shameful? That people like you chased others off the forums with your constant toxicity, stupidity and negativity. It’s actually ironic that you call me “shameful” for calling you an idiot where 1 post before you called the game devs( many of who are on this forum or have been on this forum) lazy inept and unskilled. You’re a fucking idiot and a hypocrite. It’s also funny that a staff member calls me out for acting the same way you act toward the devs.

Arguing with a fool only proves there are two. You should calm down.

Where do you see me arguing with you? I’m calling you a fucking moron not trying to convince you the earth is round.

Your incoherent nonsense amuses me greatly.

[Hazza54321]

kaiser may have botted superhard but that mass is still ridiculous at the same time.

[Peachrocks]

Dev realy need to share their stats, what was the reason for this heavy sweden buff 2 week after an heavy nerf. The first balance patch was a India nerf based on stats winrate, and the nerf was irrelevent, same with lakota, and now we have this kind of balance change? Like what, swe was at 70% of winrate before the nerf and 30% after? Because you can't know where is the issu if you change everything.

There isn't reason for any of this. They don't know what they are doing. They throw stuff to the wall and see what sticks. If that's not what they are doing, they are doing an incredibly good job at making it look like it.

[Jotunir]

Dev realy need to share their stats, what was the reason for this heavy sweden buff 2 week after an heavy nerf. The first balance patch was a India nerf based on stats winrate, and the nerf was irrelevent, same with lakota, and now we have this kind of balance change? Like what, swe was at 70% of winrate before the nerf and 30% after? Because you can't know where is the issu if you change everything.

There isn't reason for any of this. They don't know what they are doing. They throw stuff to the wall and see what sticks. If that's not what they are doing, they are doing an incredibly good job at making it look like it.

Indeed

[kevinitalien]

Dev realy need to share their stats, what was the reason for this heavy sweden buff 2 week after an heavy nerf. The first balance patch was a India nerf based on stats winrate, and the nerf was irrelevent, same with lakota, and now we have this kind of balance change? Like what, swe was at 70% of winrate before the nerf and 30% after? Because you can't know where is the issu if you change everything.

the reason is very simple, all yelling to say that Swedish was weak, so they buff it but obviously too much

[[Armag] diarouga]

Well, Swe was totally unplayable last patch, it was fair to complain.

[kevinitalien]

Well, Swe was totally unplayable last patch, it was fair to complain.

yeah agree ofc

[Jets]

How can you guys say that were unplayable when they have the best cards in the game since their release:
1. Age2 Hand Infantry / Hand cavalry attack
2. Age2 Hand infantry / Hand cavalry HP
3. The access to advanced arsenal.
You have 2 types of buffs on just one card, on age2. You pretty much can hold in age2 and mass a shit ton of those units.

[Hazza54321]

because hand infantry is pretty irrelevant...

[Black_Duck]

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The swedish papal guard only affects their pikes, they cannot have guard xbows

I love the fact that they release updates without ever testing them. It just shows how inept/unskilled/lazy they are.

Dumb take from a dumb poster. You realize at this point everyone has seen what a raging hate boner you have for the game nobody takes you seriously( You’re probably just mad your pc is too shit to run it).You’re a joke, which is really hard to do given the people on this forum.

What a shameful display.

You know what’s also shameful? That people like you chased others off the forums with your constant toxicity, stupidity and negativity. It’s actually ironic that you call me “shameful” for calling you an idiot where 1 post before you called the game devs( many of who are on this forum or have been on this forum) lazy inept and unskilled. You’re a fucking idiot and a hypocrite. It’s also funny that a staff member calls me out for acting the same way you act toward the devs.

Arguing with a fool only proves there are two. You should calm down.

Where’s the argument? Pretty sure he was just outing you for being a massive cunt

[Le Hussard sur le toit]

because hand infantry is pretty irrelevant...

I agree obviously, but free advanced arsenal is probably relevant.