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Hello,

what do you guys think is the best way to beat Japan with brit ? All time it´s a very hard mu for me.... u cant literally catch the ashis and Japan can all time insane remass! I hear many people say bow pike and huss... other say musk lb huss .... would be happy about some build orders and a solid gameplan! :) I am excited on your advice
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GettinBetter2 wrote:Hello,

what do you guys think is the best way to beat Japan with brit ? All time it´s a very hard mu for me.... u cant literally catch the ashis and Japan can all time insane remass! I hear many people say bow pike and huss... other say musk lb huss .... would be happy about some build orders and a solid gameplan! :) I am excited on your advice
On your screen at the beginning of the game, you should see a small rectangle at the top right. Click on it. Then click "resign". This will not solve your problem, but the end will be faster and less painful.

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I prefer musk + LB + Huss
When Japan is comfortable reach at age 3, you will lose.
Also, if you lose even one battle, you will lose.
If food runs out, you will lose.
VC is not good because it allows Japan to easily go through the 3age
So you have to barrack forward and play aggressively.
You need to have more LB than Yumi, you need enough musk to protect LB, and Huss to block Nagi.
If at least one is insufficient you can easily reverse.
Because Yumi Can Beat Huss But LB Can't Beat Nagi
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Probably something like this:

Ship 3v-700w-600w- then depending on the game 5v/musk ups/700c/unit shipments.

Age with tower, put forward, make rax next to it, start training muskets. Push his base and pressure him, don't let him mass units, force him to wall up or send military shipments. Don't overcommit. If he goes yumis, start adding lbows, they trade well. Try sieging and denying shrines meanwhile, contain him.

Then adapt: if he walls heavily, probably go age3 soon-ish with falcs, siege all shrines. If he doesn't, mass musk/lbow (not too many)/huss and either timing push or contain heavily.
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how can the mu be brit favored then ?
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Astaroth wrote:Probably something like this:

Ship 3v-700w-600w- then depending on the game 5v/musk ups/700c/unit shipments.

Age with tower, put forward, make rax next to it, start training muskets. Push his base and pressure him, don't let him mass units, force him to wall up or send military shipments. Don't overcommit. If he goes yumis, start adding lbows, they trade well. Try sieging and denying shrines meanwhile, contain him.

Then adapt: if he walls heavily, probably go age3 soon-ish with falcs, siege all shrines. If he doesn't, mass musk/lbow (not too many)/huss and either timing push or contain heavily.
Why would you age up with tower if you don't plan to send unit shipments and you will be the one pressuring his base ? 2 vills+2 cows or 500f just seems to give better value.
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I'm gonna say 2v+2cow is a shit age up and everyone overvalues it.
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Garja wrote:I'm gonna say 2v+2cow is a shit age up and everyone overvalues it.
Why? It still gives you 500f if you need to plus you get 2 vills.
It's slower but not shit.
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Garja wrote:I'm gonna say 2v+2cow is a shit age up and everyone overvalues it.
agreed
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so u would prefer a 500f age up ?
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Le Hussard sur le toit wrote:
Astaroth wrote:Probably something like this:

Ship 3v-700w-600w- then depending on the game 5v/musk ups/700c/unit shipments.

Age with tower, put forward, make rax next to it, start training muskets. Push his base and pressure him, don't let him mass units, force him to wall up or send military shipments. Don't overcommit. If he goes yumis, start adding lbows, they trade well. Try sieging and denying shrines meanwhile, contain him.

Then adapt: if he walls heavily, probably go age3 soon-ish with falcs, siege all shrines. If he doesn't, mass musk/lbow (not too many)/huss and either timing push or contain heavily.
Why would you age up with tower if you don't plan to send unit shipments and you will be the one pressuring his base ? 2 vills+2 cows or 500f just seems to give better value.
Tower gives map presence, defends your FB somewhat if he aggros and gives the potential for unit shipments if you need them. Also useful if you go age3 soonish for 2falcs.

Lots of pros go fb tower as brits vs Japan.
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GettinBetter2 wrote:so u would prefer a 500f age up ?
Yes. 200g+tower is the standard in most MUs. However 500f is worth more resources so sometimes it is better, especially when you plan to make lbow/pikes.
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Tower presence is nice and the 200g an instant steel traps plus a few Musk. I prefer it for that alone already tbh but for certain builds such as VC or Bowpike, 500f is pretty good as G said
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Mhm maybe I go for the tower age up with double barrack and starting with 5pikes 5longbows. Then i go lb musk and sending 700w 600w..... I think tower age up will support better the aggression because i can defend my fb and can ship units to the position. Also I will build some huss later then. Seems still definitely like a real hard mu for brits.... I dont know why the people thing brit is favored here! If nyou have more advice or a different strategy please tell ... I am thankfull for all
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Don't go lb/pike. You need musks to fight ashi.
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Pretty sure starting musk just isn’t good, I mean japs basically always gonna start yumi. I guess you can add cav super early but still.
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Well you do lb musk but start lb and maybe 5 pike depending if japs are going heavy on shrines or not.

Also huss are mostly completely useless in this MU
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do the age up that makes it so you get longbow from shrines intead of vills, you can watch tit stream back to see how it's done
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gibson wrote:Pretty sure starting musk just isn’t good, I mean japs basically always gonna start yumi. I guess you can add cav super early but still.
Japs basically always go pure ashi in this MU nowadays tbh. Anyway starting lb is usually fine, unless they age torii and go aggro in which case your lbs will get caught and you'd rather start musks
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don_artie wrote:do the age up that makes it so you get longbow from shrines intead of vills, you can watch tit stream back to see how it's done
If you do that, have fun getting outeco'd hard by Japan. Not getting vills with manors anymore basically puts British eco on the level of Spanish.
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don_artie wrote:do the age up that makes it so you get longbow from shrines intead of vills, you can watch tit stream back to see how it's done
Tit is using the logistician age up ? Brits' one looks complete garbage tbh...
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i think this politician is a little bit troll, maybe aizamk will figure out some cheese builds with it like full manor booming age 1 with VC and constructing outpost while aging to 2 to direct start massing vs a water boom or a bot ff but overall it is a bad politician i think.
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gibson wrote:Pretty sure starting musk just isn’t good, I mean japs basically always gonna start yumi. I guess you can add cav super early but still.
I meant vs torii ashi rush (which is what all the jap do atm).
Against kami you start lb/pike but kami is not really an issue for brit tbh.
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Would you place the base at home when Japan go for the tori age ? Musk louses against ashis or not ?
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Musks do ok against ashi, and you should either outboom or outmass. And ye, against tori rax at home is probably safer ^^

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