USA speculation thread
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I think Germany was at least a thing over the entire time span and there was a (limited) number of German colonies.
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In AOE3 you build a colony. So even if the time period is the early industrial era, a colony still starts off as "primitive". So it shouldn't be strange to see low-tech France vs low-tech US.duckzilla wrote:I just have difficulties to properly locate the US in this "colonial" setting and think that it is ridiculous to add them. Additionally, the US was quite a late player in this whole area, being founded in what would be the early industrial era within the game. I cannot really see what kind of immersion is possible for the earlier stages of the game that is not already used for nations like France and Brits.RefluxSemantic wrote:I dont understand, why would it be ridiculous?duckzilla wrote:Adding the US sounds rather ridiculous. Should it be added, I expect strong features for late-game. Gatling guns as unique artillery should be straight-forward. An improved colonial milita could also make sense, making the US more difficult to rush.
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As a revolt, which is perfect.thomasgreen6 wrote:The USA is already in the game...chronique wrote:Also, USA began in ~1770, but that's an other story.Show hidden quotes
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At a bare minimum we need a consulate type building called "McDonalds".
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This. I mean.... what else are revolts? Why not adding the other ones as proper civs as well?chronique wrote:As a revolt, which is perfect.thomasgreen6 wrote:The USA is already in the game...Show hidden quotes
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Hope they name the civ "the 13 commerces"Dolan wrote:Well... where' the "colonial age" from the original AOE3?atiq629 wrote:Do you have to bring your shitty politics to every single thread?Dolan wrote:Their units will reflect vibrant diversity, nonbinary identities and women's struggle against oppression, and many of their vills will be overweight.
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Well yeah, the USA wasn't much of a colonial power, since the whole country was a federation of colonies. While the original AOE3 was themed on "age of discovery" colonial empires. So this addition kinda breaks with that pattern.duckzilla wrote:I just have difficulties to properly locate the US in this "colonial" setting and think that it is ridiculous to add them. Additionally, the US was quite a late player in this whole area, being founded in what would be the early industrial era within the game. I cannot really see what kind of immersion is possible for the earlier stages of the game that is not already used for nations like France and Brits.
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Perhaps you can see its vast expansion to the west as colonizing. Same way in which people say that Russia colonized Siberia.Dolan wrote:Well yeah, the USA wasn't much of a colonial power, since the whole country was a federation of colonies. While the original AOE3 was themed on "age of discovery" colonial empires. So this addition kinda breaks with that pattern.
Also the original game includes Otto, which I don't believe was much of a colonial power.
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Theres 2 types of colonising. First we have settler colonialism like what the Brits did in the Americas. Secondaly is colonialism where you exploit the population , such as British India. Otto did the latter to the balkans and near east.Jaeger wrote:Perhaps you can see its vast expansion to the west as colonizing. Same way in which people say that Russia colonized Siberia.Dolan wrote:Well yeah, the USA wasn't much of a colonial power, since the whole country was a federation of colonies. While the original AOE3 was themed on "age of discovery" colonial empires. So this addition kinda breaks with that pattern.
Also the original game includes Otto, which I don't believe was much of a colonial power.
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It doesn't really break any pattern since there is none. Besides DLC's already add colonized civs. The game is a historical mess. Germany should be Prussia, India, China, Japan, What? Which are these countries. The whole game itself is a historical mess.Dolan wrote:Well yeah, the USA wasn't much of a colonial power, since the whole country was a federation of colonies. While the original AOE3 was themed on "age of discovery" colonial empires. So this addition kinda breaks with that pattern.duckzilla wrote:I just have difficulties to properly locate the US in this "colonial" setting and think that it is ridiculous to add them. Additionally, the US was quite a late player in this whole area, being founded in what would be the early industrial era within the game. I cannot really see what kind of immersion is possible for the earlier stages of the game that is not already used for nations like France and Brits.
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India : Mughal empireprinceofcarthage wrote:It doesn't really break any pattern since there is none. Besides DLC's already add colonized civs. The game is a historical mess. Germany should be Prussia, India, China, Japan, What? Which are these countries. The whole game itself is a historical mess.Dolan wrote:Well yeah, the USA wasn't much of a colonial power, since the whole country was a federation of colonies. While the original AOE3 was themed on "age of discovery" colonial empires. So this addition kinda breaks with that pattern.duckzilla wrote:I just have difficulties to properly locate the US in this "colonial" setting and think that it is ridiculous to add them. Additionally, the US was quite a late player in this whole area, being founded in what would be the early industrial era within the game. I cannot really see what kind of immersion is possible for the earlier stages of the game that is not already used for nations like France and Brits.
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Germany should be Prussia , even old flag was prussian flag in legacy
Japan makes sense
Which of these do not make sense to you?
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The game wasn't made to be a history book, it was made to gamify history.princeofcarthage wrote:It doesn't really break any pattern since there is none. Besides DLC's already add colonized civs. The game is a historical mess. Germany should be Prussia, India, China, Japan, What? Which are these countries. The whole game itself is a historical mess.
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Who tf cares about historic accuracy in this game when u play china v inca or otto v lakota.
Main point is to bring new stuff to the game game and if its fun to play this discussion really doesnt make sense.
Ah and also @chronique nobody will believe that u quit the game until u make an overly dramatic good bye thread preferably anonymous
Main point is to bring new stuff to the game game and if its fun to play this discussion really doesnt make sense.
Ah and also @chronique nobody will believe that u quit the game until u make an overly dramatic good bye thread preferably anonymous
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we havent had stealth artillery yet
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I dont know, feels like Germany wasn't much of a thing until later on in the time span of aoe3. And I don't see how having colonies is a requirement for being in aoe3, as we also have Sioux, Iroquois, Aztecs, Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Ottomans, Russia, Sweden and the Incas in the game, which is actually over half of the civs.duckzilla wrote:I think Germany was at least a thing over the entire time span and there was a (limited) number of German colonies.
I feel like the USA still played a relevant role in this era and their inclusion can be justified. I don't see many candidates that I'd prefer over them to be honest.
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Yeah so your point about breaking pattern is irrelevant.Dolan wrote:The game wasn't made to be a history book, it was made to gamify history.princeofcarthage wrote:It doesn't really break any pattern since there is none. Besides DLC's already add colonized civs. The game is a historical mess. Germany should be Prussia, India, China, Japan, What? Which are these countries. The whole game itself is a historical mess.
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I was answering my own objection.princeofcarthage wrote:Yeah so your point about breaking pattern is irrelevant.Dolan wrote:The game wasn't made to be a history book, it was made to gamify history.princeofcarthage wrote:It doesn't really break any pattern since there is none. Besides DLC's already add colonized civs. The game is a historical mess. Germany should be Prussia, India, China, Japan, What? Which are these countries. The whole game itself is a historical mess.
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Then why quote me. You are becoming weird like Ear and conspiracist like Howlingwolfpaw. I think you might be suffering from bipolar disorder. You change personalities according to season.Dolan wrote:I was answering my own objection.princeofcarthage wrote:Yeah so your point about breaking pattern is irrelevant.Show hidden quotes
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By answering my own objection I also explained why your point about the game being a historical mess is irrelevant.princeofcarthage wrote:Then why quote me.Dolan wrote:I was answering my own objection.Show hidden quotes
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My point about historical mess is a different one though than the one you mentioned about pattern.Dolan wrote:By answering my own objection I also explained why your point about the game being a historical mess is irrelevant.princeofcarthage wrote:Then why quote me.Show hidden quotes
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The point I made (on the USA not really having been a colonial power like the others) implicates the one about historical accuracy.princeofcarthage wrote:My point about historical mess is a different one though than the one you mentioned about pattern.Dolan wrote:By answering my own objection I also explained why your point about the game being a historical mess is irrelevant.Show hidden quotes
Later on, I came back with a different point that it's not history that matters, but the game.
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Imagine having just 8 rebalanced euro civs on good maps. Shit I'd pay for that
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we are strictly talking about breaking pattern. Historical accuracy of the game has nothing to do with it. You made a point that vanilla game is made up of only colonial powers and so USA breaks pattern which is simply not true cuz strawberries and mangoes have non colonial civilizations. You could argue that Japan was also colonial power but that's the only exception considering Japan was the only colony which turned colonial.Dolan wrote:The point I made (on the USA not really having been a colonial power like the others) implicates the one about historical accuracy.princeofcarthage wrote:My point about historical mess is a different one though than the one you mentioned about pattern.Show hidden quotes
Later on, I came back with a different point that it's not history that matters, but the game.
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Re: USA speculation thread
Why are euros mad about united states civ? Its fucking based.
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