i have created a thread to definitively balance the game, on the official forums

[Squamiger]

https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-d ... ced/133589

it's a definitive list that all hard-working, decent folk can agree on. Only imperialists and class traitors will object. Go like and comment on it and we can restore AoE3 as an RTS

[Squamiger]

(i didn't add advanced torp card for swedes but thats because thats a no-brainer, my dad who works at AoE3 told me that they will add it next patch so dont worry)

[dansil92]

im amazed some of those people have the brain cells to spell yabusame, ngl

[Garja]

so cute

[Zutazuta]

Ban

[harcha]

@Zutazuta he didn't propose any ashi nerfs dw

[Peachrocks]

Are you sure you didn't put this on a public forum . I mean I thought this was a very private email. Geez. Wow.

[Squamiger]

it was a private email to the devs, somehow a bunch of shitters have been able to see and comment on it though

[CR_Joops]

Buff surgeon

[iron_turtle]

So I was thinking Devs buff/nerf civs based on pure winrates regardless of ELo level. So let's just resign and artificially increase the winrate against the civ we want nerfed.
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[Abrahamburgerlincon]

Nice job, but I doubt anything will come out of it

[Jets]

Funny communnity out there. The only reasonable thing I read was to remove stuff from Sweden.

Also, all those posts trying to balance ports CM by twisting cards and putting time restrictions are just lame. There's an overall balance that nobody talks about, and it's based on that each set of civs from the expansions are miles away from the original design of the game. You either cut content or rework the game entirely.

Btw, to Sweden I propose you to: remove xbows, give them skirms like spain, turn hakkapells into Lakota Rifle Riders. There you have it, an anti-HI civ.

[Dolphincup]

I agree w/ everything except for OP yabs. think yabs are expensive enough that yumi/yab would be well-balanced if shrine HP comes down and Japan's eco is thus more raidable.

[Squamiger]

after some reflection i think maybe it's not the yabus that are necessarily OP, its the combo of yumi/yabus, and its more the fact that yumis just shit on every other skirmisher in the game, making it very hard to counter yabus

[callentournies]

wrote an essay in response, kind of already said the same things here on ESOC before but like put it into a list: https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-d ... dapple9268

[Sargsyan]

you have zero clue about aoe 3

[Jets]

Tbh there's no logical explanation to why yabusames have x8 vs artillery, since they already have one cul/falc hybrid . Also the 50%rr is crazy.

[dansil92]

Tbh there's no logical explanation to why yabusames have x8 vs artillery, since they already have one cul/falc hybrid . Also the 50%rr is crazy.

flaming arrows do not have a multi vs other artillery until the honoured upgrade is researched age 4. they are not a culv, and thus yabusame fulfil the role of anti artillery in age 3

[Peachrocks]

Yeah I’m okay with yabusame just not with Ashi and Yumi since Falcs would otherwise be a decent answer to both. Maybe make it a bit weaker vs. hand cav so that high range resist can be better negated and y’know neuter Ashi and Yumi a bit and compensate them somewhere else.

[dansil92]

until yumi are standardized to 15 damage with 2x vs HI, japan will never be balanced

[Jotunir]

until yumi are standardized to 15 damage with 2x vs HI, japan will never be balanced

I want the toxic 1150 hp, 2 Cuirassier back.

[helln00]

until yumi are standardized to 15 damage with 2x vs HI, japan will never be balanced

Idk I would just prefer to increase the cost. They feel comparable to cassadors so maybe just a food cost increase?

Also maybe for the Yabusame a HP nerf (plus maybe reduce the cav multi to x 3 intstead of 3.5) since I think their main weakness should be melee ( which yumi are also weak to) which will force a 3 unit composition as some people want and also strain a 3 resource economy if they have to make ashi to counter cav

[Astaroth]

until yumi are standardized to 15 damage with 2x vs HI, japan will never be balanced

... and many civs will just go (semi) FF into skirm/goon and Japan essentially won't have a counter. Early on, yumis get outranged and outmassed by skirms. They also need to be upgraded to age3.

It also doesn't make any sense that a unit that is more expensive than a longbowman would have 2 less attack.

[dansil92]

until yumi are standardized to 15 damage with 2x vs HI, japan will never be balanced

... and many civs will just go (semi) FF into skirm/goon and Japan essentially won't have a counter. Early on, yumis get outranged and outmassed by skirms. They also need to be upgraded to age3.

It also doesn't make any sense that a unit that is more expensive than a longbowman would have 2 less attack.

technically speaking yumi do about half the damage of a longbow already, no?

as long as japan doesn't have to make naginata to beat other skirms its never going to be balanced. its trivial to crank yumi up to 24 damage age 2, which for comparison is the same damage output as an age 4 forest prowler. They continue to get stupider as the ages progress

[RefluxSemantic]

I feel like you have a fundamentally incorrect understanding of the game if you focus so much on how good Japan is in late fortress while completely ignoring the idea that you can punish them somehow.