I am tired

[callentournies]

Point is you're missing a meta which was in part defined by shitty maps. Lamenting qs as the combination both of these things is bad for that reason. And there are already a ton of threads throughout every iteration of EP and DE which say "I miss the old meta." I sympathize but at the same time it's feeling very old at this point.

[abusjan]

It sucks that when I double click it selects all workers or soldiers. He should choose those in a certain field. Also, the game is not fair. While they make the eco garbage country even weaker by weakening its soldiers like Otto, they strengthen one of the 3 strongest civs like Spain with the logit patch. Why not balance?

[JKProwler]

It sucks that when I double click it selects all workers or soldiers. He should choose those in a certain field.

It would suck more if I double click and it didn't select all the same units or objects

[Squamiger]

i miss the old meta where you could just stick your vills on berries, ship 9 xbow as the first card, and win the game in 6 minutes with l337 xbow micro

[badger_prince]

It sucks that when I double click it selects all workers or soldiers. He should choose those in a certain field. Also, the game is not fair. While they make the eco garbage country even weaker by weakening its soldiers like Otto, they strengthen one of the 3 strongest civs like Spain with the logit patch. Why not balance?

If you hold ctrl while you doubleclick it only selects all of a certain group - like all vills on wood, or all vills on the community plaza, all pikes etc.

[Mr_Bramboy]

It sucks that when I double click it selects all workers or soldiers. He should choose those in a certain field. Also, the game is not fair. While they make the eco garbage country even weaker by weakening its soldiers like Otto, they strengthen one of the 3 strongest civs like Spain with the logit patch. Why not balance?

This seems like an unbiased person.

[RefluxSemantic]

Point is you're missing a meta which was in part defined by shitty maps. Lamenting qs as the combination both of these things is bad for that reason. And there are already a ton of threads throughout every iteration of EP and DE which say "I miss the old meta." I sympathize but at the same time it's feeling very old at this point.

It makes me wonder if those 'shitty maps' were actually fun maps? Apart from the blatantly unfair spawns where one player got a straight up advantage from the spawn, I always thought the maps were pretty nice. If you picked the right ones you'd rarely get bs spawns.

[harcha]

No, there were no maps where you would consistently avoid getting "bs spawns" not to mention that many were simply "bs maps". Like hispaniola, no matter the spawn you still don't have any hunt and many civs are forced to deal with berries while others can wall up and go water.

[blasdg]

Hispaniola is pretty much the worst map in the history of the game, I think a lot of people will agree.

[Mr_Bramboy]

I like hispaniola. It's not a good semi-ff map, but it's a great water map that puts emphasis on the control of the whales.

[callentournies]

Point is you're missing a meta which was in part defined by shitty maps. Lamenting qs as the combination both of these things is bad for that reason. And there are already a ton of threads throughout every iteration of EP and DE which say "I miss the old meta." I sympathize but at the same time it's feeling very old at this point.

It makes me wonder if those 'shitty maps' were actually fun maps? Apart from the blatantly unfair spawns where one player got a straight up advantage from the spawn

idk, that seems pretty shitty to me.

There are several RE qs maps in the DE pool btw. They have more res which affects the meta, the point is I think people are just missing a scrappier meta which is a totally fair point to make, but I want to separate that from RE qs nostalgia which had a lot of bad stuff (shitty maps).

Unfortunately you can't seem to balance towards a scrappier meta outside of maps, because then you just make civs/game less fun to play especially for majority of player base that doesn't want mechanically intense scrap fights. The natural EP philosophy to buff weak nerf strong but keep fun, making minimal changes to each but necessary comprises, worked well imo. DE's philosophy to buff all max "fun" is, idk, the new aoe3. And I do have fun playing it ngl, but not all the time.

Unfortunately (round 2) when I read the OP I don't read this nuance, I read "I can only win games by playing aggro, I want to be able to win games again."

[RefluxSemantic]

No, there were no maps where you would consistently avoid getting "bs spawns" not to mention that many were simply "bs maps". Like hispaniola, no matter the spawn you still don't have any hunt and many civs are forced to deal with berries while others can wall up and go water.

Many TAD maps had pretty consistent spawns. I used to play on siberia a lot because the 2nd hunt was always at least in range of the tower. Still not super consistent.

I personally think fertile crescent is the perfect 'RE style' map that actually works. It allows for the scrappier gameplay.

[Kaiserklein]

No TAD map had a consistent spawn lol, except arguably siberia

[aligator92]

I am all on favor of scrappy games and maps like cadcade range and fertile crescent where you have to fight for your 3rd hunt and 2nd/3rd mine but RE maps were mostly just utter garbage

[harcha]

2nd and 3rd hunt still has large variance on Siberia.

[Peachrocks]

Hispaniola is pretty much the worst map in the history of the game, I think a lot of people will agree.

Rockies is worse. Especially it’s silly older versions.

[look]

Point is you're missing a meta which was in part defined by shitty maps. Lamenting qs as the combination both of these things is bad for that reason. And there are already a ton of threads throughout every iteration of EP and DE which say "I miss the old meta." I sympathize but at the same time it's feeling very old at this point.

actually I miss a more competitive game, EP is way ahead of DE in fun and competitiveness games. im not talking about RE qs
another problem is where the meta is going, a boring and no fun game
where the game is all about lammer with something (swe, port, spain logistic, TCs + CMs)

the big difference in competitive games at high lvl is micro and macro, thats the best way for competitive games
and at the moment we are like in 2008 where the majority abused something strong to create advantages

[Jotunir]

Something similar happened to me with AOE2, I still prefer to play the original AOE2 Gold edition with Forgotten empires mod and userpatch 1.5 instead of the HD and DE versions which frankly are only full of eye candy. That does not justify in any way their balance/performance issues. I had the HD version for a while but it was just too buggy, had FPS issues and desync problems during games. AOE3 DE reminds me of just that.

[hidden_blaze]

Something similar happened to me with AOE2, I still prefer to play the original AOE2 Gold edition with Forgotten empires mod and userpatch 1.5 instead of the HD and DE versions which frankly are only full of eye candy. That does not justify in any way their balance/performance issues. I had the HD version for a while but it was just too buggy, had FPS issues and desync problems during games. AOE3 DE reminds me of just that.

You're not seriously commending the original aoe2 balance, where 1v1 hun mirror on Arabia/1v1 viking mirror on islands was the meta for 10 years straight are you?
The newer versions of aoe2 are as far as balance is concerned miles ahead of the original game.
Also if there's so much disdain about aoe3 DE and everyone's like "we should go back to EP", why don't you just go back then?

[look]

Something similar happened to me with AOE2, I still prefer to play the original AOE2 Gold edition with Forgotten empires mod and userpatch 1.5 instead of the HD and DE versions which frankly are only full of eye candy. That does not justify in any way their balance/performance issues. I had the HD version for a while but it was just too buggy, had FPS issues and desync problems during games. AOE3 DE reminds me of just that.

You're not seriously commending the original aoe2 balance, where 1v1 hun mirror on Arabia/1v1 viking mirror on islands was the meta for 10 years straight are you?
The newer versions of aoe2 are as far as balance is concerned miles ahead of the original game.
Also if there's so much disdain about aoe3 DE and everyone's like "we should go back to EP", why don't you just go back then?

Because most are playing RE.

[Jotunir]

Something similar happened to me with AOE2, I still prefer to play the original AOE2 Gold edition with Forgotten empires mod and userpatch 1.5 instead of the HD and DE versions which frankly are only full of eye candy. That does not justify in any way their balance/performance issues. I had the HD version for a while but it was just too buggy, had FPS issues and desync problems during games. AOE3 DE reminds me of just that.

You're not seriously commending the original aoe2 balance, where 1v1 hun mirror on Arabia/1v1 viking mirror on islands was the meta for 10 years straight are you?
The newer versions of aoe2 are as far as balance is concerned miles ahead of the original game.
Also if there's so much disdain about aoe3 DE and everyone's like "we should go back to EP", why don't you just go back then?

I am talking about AOE 2 Forgotten Empires Mod balance. As for "EP" I never abandoned it.