Sweden has just completely ruined current casual games

[fei123456]

I really hate those house-boomers. RE Japan is already quite annoying to play against, and DE is still adding new house-booming civs.

Torps/shrines are just too cost-effective: you need to train useless units to destroy them. 5 pikemen is 200 food 200 wood (and you may need more), but they can't do anything else than sieging houses. So even if you do destroyed some houses, it may not be a good trade.

[hellhammer99]

Reduce their HP in Commerce age, they get back the former HP in fortress, ez
Also imagine complaining of those when the ones that' are truly frustrating are the Kancha houses cmon

[hellhammer99]

Well OP civs/strats like this garner attention and hype. Like when R8 revolver came out in CS:GO, everybody was playing and trying to get in on the action until it was nerfed.

Flemish revolution entered the chat

[aligator92]

Reduce their HP in Commerce age, they get back the former HP in fortress, ez
Also imagine complaining of those when the ones that' are truly frustrating are the Kancha houses cmon

I don't see how a Kancha sitting in base and producing food out of thin air is more frustrating than a Torp that scouts the map, depletes my mine and eats my hunt all at the same time

[firstaim]

Yeah qs only is terrible on a game with poor balance. Basically forces you to lame the worst shit or to just accept you'll lose, and also makes for boring games against the same civs over and over again. Should probably just play unrated vs decent people so you get to play cool games.

Thankfully everyone is aware the civ is ridiculous, so it'll probaby be patched soon

everyone is aware, everyone is complaining and everyone is playing it, classic

No FE isn't aware.

[Jets]

Tbh they should go back to the original idea: an aggressive civ with mercs. Like torps, instead of gathering all 3 resources they should only gather coin from mines.

[gibson]

Reduce their HP in Commerce age, they get back the former HP in fortress, ez
Also imagine complaining of those when the ones that' are truly frustrating are the Kancha houses cmon

It helps that inca just isn’t that great of a civ while Sweden is very good.

[Kaiserklein]

Well Inca is pretty strong really. Ofc sweden is not comparable

[gibson]

Idk if i'd call losing half mus strong but its not really relevant to the point.

[InaLeto]

im done... iam thinking about skipping sweds in qs, even if i know how to beat them with (ok good winrate), i have enough

[NekoBerk]

Sweden is the only civ that can lose their whole army, remake them asap and still beating your ass

[Hawk_Girl]

I just think it hurts your ego that sweden is a top civ while finland isn't even in the game

[Veer_84]

This post tempts me to try Sweden in online matches.

[tim_retek]

You can always come back to EP. I'm online atm

[InaLeto]

This post tempts me to try Sweden in online matches.

I am online now, gogo... get ur pixel points and have fun

[DNLgibraltar]

I can't stop being shocked some people think they need a "slight nerf" at best. There are so many things wrong with this civ that the devs actually need to have the guts to shake Caroleans and torps instead of just toning them down: That would solve 99,99% of this issue.

Having 2 houses being equal to 3 settlers is ridiculous (ironworks makes it worth 4 settlers and blueberry makes it 5 and having a hunt nearby makes it 6) while having no restrictions on villagers, gather rates, town centers and eco techs.

As long as torps are deemed as mini villagers I see no hope to consider Sweden a good civ to this game. Overall, having a buildings that give you resources with barely a con throughout the game, IS NOT HEALTHY TO THIS GAME(I wonder why Japan, Sweden and Inca piss off the community). I wish they had stopped at Japan because The Dutch was the only ones I could give a free pass back in 2012.

[gibson]

a torp isnt worth 6 vils, ever. lol.

[DNLgibraltar]

a torp isnt worth 6 vils, ever. lol.

LOL

Did you even read what I wrote?

[InaLeto]

a torp isnt worth 6 vils, ever. lol.

LOL

Did you even read what I wrote?

He was referring to 2 torps, here is a quick overview against Queen Elisabeth:



So you can quickly see that 2 torps are well managed worth 4.56 settlers and - as a bonus - 20 pop-space... xD

[DNLgibraltar]

a torp isnt worth 6 vils, ever. lol.

LOL

Did you even read what I wrote?

He was referring to 2 torps, here is a quick overview against Queen Elisabeth:



So you can quickly see that 2 torps are well managed worth 4.56 settlers and - as a bonus - 20 pop-space... xD

Thank you for the information! Still beyond insane. But now you made me curious about the prints because I was considering "equality" as gather rate:

* One single torp gathers at 50% of a settler (with no improvements) to the respective resource.

* So one Torp(A) around a mine with a tree nearby has a gather rate of 50% of a settler on wood, 50% on gold and 50% on berry bush. And a second Torp (B) does the same.

* Two torps (A+B) are worth 1 full settler on wood, 1 settler on coin and 1 settler on berry to the player. So every 2 torps= 3 free settlers.

If the player manages to send a deer to their range, the Torp will harvest food too, so it's like having 0.5 of a settler on animal and besides berry, wood and coin ( 2 Torps= 4 free settlers).

The is that Ironworks and Blue berry cards double their gather rate making every torp being equal to 1 full villager on coin and berry bush. So 1 torp= 1 vil on coin; 1 on berry; 0.5 on wood; 0,5 hunted animal.

So how did this test went as 4.56 instead of 6? I'm legit curious!

[InaLeto]

* So one Torp(A) around a mine with a tree nearby has a gather rate of 50% of a settler on wood, [...]
So how did this test went as 4.56 instead of 6? I'm legit curious!

I don't play this stuff - that means i haven't done well myself in my test:
Well placed with trees it is indeed possible to get 0.25 wood / sec instead of 0.05 wood / sec as in my first test. I don't know if there is a total limit, but I can easily get 0.20 wood / sec with food and gold to the maximum.



Either way...

[princeofkabul]

I just think it hurts your ego that sweden is a top civ while finland isn't even in the game

Finland is always where Sweden is. Even in this game... peasant revolt lol

[harcha]

@DNLgibraltar keep in mind that it is worthless comparing torp berry gather rate with villager berry gather rate, because villagers gather hunts. also it is rare that you will actually max the torp wood gather rate as you need several trees very close. they are mostly used for coin...

[Vafurx]

Sweden is ruining the game as a player and as a viewer for me as well. Portugal also getting close to that point.

Thanks DE!

[Jets]

Delete ports schooners, rework Sweden from 0.