Minor civilizations Tier List Maker

[EliteRifleman]

Hi!
I wanted to consult, what are your opinions regarding minor civilizations? (I see that they are used very little), for this, I have created this tier list.

https://tiermaker.com/create/age-of-emp ... ns-1132134

This is my humble opinion.
(Lakota, Iroques and Azteca is pretty useless, but they keep showing up in campaigns, so add them anyway)

[dansil92]

notes: theres a few that shift around lots. seminole is insane on brits, japan, aztec, absolutely worthless for civs like dutch or india.
Mapuche is kinda decent for the coin crate timing or a rush but not a good midgame ally.
Udasi. low siege gren, yuck. at least they arent HI anymore...
Sufi, expensive unit. probably decent for aztec and no one else. fattened goat tech is like "nice" but thats as far as it goes.
Huron for the fishing tech. Cheyenne for the bison. Navajo has a busted unit amd very good techs (especially for japan).
Zen, i like sohei, they're good units, but its not really worth building a trading post for them. the techs arent exactly great either for 1v1.
Cherokee and Klamath exactly hit the middle ground settlements for me. a moderately overpriced unit that does its job well, a decent tech and some lategame techs.
Shaolin is king. cheap wood tech, massive melee buff to musketeers, a really dangerous unit and a crazy 50% dmg tech for said unit.

[callentournies]

I don't even know what half the nats do

[Javon]

Yep, a list overview of minor civs and which "major" civs they synergize with the best (because of techs, possibly units) would be great. BTW if you click on TP socket and hold ALT key it shows you what units and upgrades a native offers if you build a TP, so it's nice to check it out in the middle of the game.

[duckzilla]

I think Sufi is a bit situational, but can be great, e.g. for Dutch or Japan who should both get +10 vill limit. What's the benefit of Nootka? I usually hate seeing their TPs.

[andrewgs]

The wiki pages are quite good for viewing the native techs.

You can have some fun playing spain and doing logistician and sending native lore to get expensive upgrades early. An early 50% att or hp buff on rattans or tiger claws makes them stronger than people expect.

State militia + pike or goon is quite fun too. I always wanted to get to stealthy apache raiders with the villager multiplier, but never got to age 3 :< For some reason the USA native shipments are affected by native post techs, whereas other civ's shipments aren't

One highlight of my games was seiging a factory with seminole archers.

[yurashic]

notes: theres a few that shift around lots. seminole is insane on brits, japan, aztec, absolutely worthless for civs like dutch or india.
Mapuche is kinda decent for the coin crate timing or a rush but not a good midgame ally.
Udasi. low siege gren, yuck. at least they arent HI anymore...
Sufi, expensive unit. probably decent for aztec and no one else. fattened goat tech is like "nice" but thats as far as it goes.
Huron for the fishing tech. Cheyenne for the bison. Navajo has a busted unit amd very good techs (especially for japan).
Zen, i like sohei, they're good units, but its not really worth building a trading post for them. the techs arent exactly great either for 1v1.
Cherokee and Klamath exactly hit the middle ground settlements for me. a moderately overpriced unit that does its job well, a decent tech and some lategame techs.
Shaolin is king. cheap wood tech, massive melee buff to musketeers, a really dangerous unit and a crazy 50% dmg tech for said unit.

This is pretty accurate, but vanilla Lakota are S tier because of dog soldier big button and hunts. Comanche also S tier because of 2 strong cav upgrades. Huron are higher because of the cheap fishing upgrade. Udasi and Sufi have gathering upgrades so they are not terrible. Vanilla Iroquois have 10% ranged infantry attack which also makes them not terrible.

[dansil92]

I think Sufi is a bit situational, but can be great, e.g. for Dutch or Japan who should both get +10 vill limit. What's the benefit of Nootka? I usually hate seeing their TPs.

nootka are a very tanky unit with good siege, the nootka chief is an insane unit and the vill hp tech is 100% busted for france, and very good for everyone else. As for sufi they're a very expensive powerful unit. they're very "good" units but having to invest 200w into a build limit of 7(?) is pretty rough ngl. the techs for almost all nats are good in lategame but my ranking was aimed for 1v1 sup, where 10 vills to dutch shouldn't ever really come into play

[Jets]

Apaches are literally the best thing that could happen in a Sweden game.

[EliteRifleman]

I expected the Cree higher up, not just because of CBS, but the cree tricker is an insane unit in the second age. And it has a couple of very useful improvements.

[Squamiger]

i tried making a tier list but i cant tell which natives are which based on the pictures

[EliteRifleman]

Update images to include native Africans. In my humble opinion, the Yorubas are broken in every aspect and sense.

[EliteRifleman]

https://tiermaker.com/create/age-of-emp ... ns-1132134

Update the tier list, with the new real houses.
NOTE: The image is an example, I did it randomly xD