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Hi, I haven't played for about 6 months and just got back into the game. I know there have been a bunch of patches since I last played, so I was wondering what the current civ tier list looks like? I just played quicksearch as Lakota vs Dutch and got absolutely destroyed even though my opponent had lost 12 vils to raids by the 8 minute mark.
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You probably did not play optimal to lose after so many good raids.

Dutch is defintely S tier though, for me and this is subjective:

S Tier: Dutch, Brits, Spanish, Germany
A Tier: Japan, India, Russia, Haude, Inca, Ethiopia, France , USA
B Tier: Portugal, Ottomans, Aztecs, Sweden, China , Lakota
C Tier: Hausa
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afaik breeze is the highest player who has knowledge across all civs, both land and the seas. @turnuva
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has the African civ's reign of terror finally ended?
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helln00 wrote:has the African civ's reign of terror finally ended?
Yes, they were nerfed and Inca buffed which is now the new brooken civ. There's however barely any players left to lame them, since the majority either quit long ago or moved onto Aoe 4 :smile:
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If you kill 12 vils at 8 minutes and lose, I don't think its because of balance lol
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tabben wrote:
helln00 wrote:has the African civ's reign of terror finally ended?
Yes, they were nerfed and Inca buffed which is now the new brooken civ. There's however barely any players left to lame them, since the majority either quit long ago or moved onto Aoe 4 :smile:
Well now that the age 2 Kallanka card is nerfed and their age 2 is down, maybe we are back to normal
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haud is and always has been the secret S-tier civ
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helln00 wrote:
tabben wrote:
helln00 wrote:has the African civ's reign of terror finally ended?
Yes, they were nerfed and Inca buffed which is now the new brooken civ. There's however barely any players left to lame them, since the majority either quit long ago or moved onto Aoe 4 :smile:
Well now that the age 2 Kallanka card is nerfed and their age 2 is down, maybe we are back to normal
No, the problem is age 3 and not age 2, they are OP still.
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Well now that the age 2 Kallanka card is nerfed and their age 2 is down, maybe we are back to normal
No, the problem is age 3 and not age 2, they are OP still.
Really, most of the complaints I heard around here was the age 2 kallanka build and no one said anything about the FF, which is strong
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No, the problem is age 3 and not age 2, they are OP still.
Really, most of the complaints I heard around here was the age 2 kallanka build and no one said anything about the FF, which is strong
stronghold turtle and other bs inca has in age 3 just shouldnt be in the game like it is now
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https://tiermaker.com/create/age-of-emp ... lc-1132134

Since the other guy never updated the tier list, I took the liberty of making a new one.

EJ with the opinion of LazarosVas
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Really, most of the complaints I heard around here was the age 2 kallanka build and no one said anything about the FF, which is strong
stronghold turtle and other bs inca has in age 3 just shouldnt be in the game like it is now
Oh the turtle stuff, I wasnt even thinking about that. Yeah that could be annoying but I think the 6 min ff into infinite bolas, Hurracas and x2 lancer shipment is stronger
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i would change change some stuff, civs like otto or germans are very tp dependant, japan for example doesnt care
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Mostly based on the matchups i've seen.
I think all the Asian dynasties civ's are pretty strong, the immensity in terms of scaling is pretty good.
As much as I dislike playing against Dutch, i'm still convinced dutch isn't as good or as diverse as the african civs are even after the nerfs.
Germany and France just have better match ups overall in my opinion, they have that slight eco bonus but then also some of the best units in the game along with good age 3 cards.
I think spain is a pretty strong civ I think their timings it what make them so strong, very easy to go ff into huge skirmisher mass and overwhelm your opponent and early age 3 lancer timings are soo good or even ooga booga cannon ff still very good or fast age up timing with bishop and the spanish gold or even logi age up can be very nice.
Usa are very good imo, strong defense with good timings and the cards and units are pretty amazing.
Ottoman is a good civ with nice timings but compared to other dlc civs now they feel incredibly limited, I feel like you could say the same to a lot of the lower placed civs (maybe apart from aztecs after rework I don't really know about aztec now after patch).
I think lakota has pretty good match ups but more of the decisively bad match ups, I feel like they need 1 or 2 tweaks, quite a few matchups just feel messy and their design has some holes if you ask me.
Honestly I feel like russia is good if played very well maybe I would put them higher.
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somehow i suspect that if there was a tourney where hausa and ethiopia were allowed they would still just dominate every other civ
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kevinitalien wrote:my opinion
why do you put france, china, and swede so low?
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Squamiger wrote:
kevinitalien wrote:my opinion
why do you put france, china, and swede so low?
Swe: its a mono civ, that is to say that it is a civ which spams one unit in all the game and which is destroyed by skirm goons especially with CIR and the only way are the jeagers which are good but you cannot train a lot of them and the cannons are quite easy to counter with 2 culvs, the civ does not have a good cav and is not exceptional on the water, ofc they have a good eco but the eco is not everything in the games (before the eco was just stupid as fuck and broken and much more than it is now despite the fact that they are mono civ + infinite mams and free cannon age 2, it is why this civ was just broken)

China: the civ is rather slow in general, for me the ff is easy to counter with 3/4 of the civ and the play age 2 is not incredible either since you take the risk of getting stuck at age 2 with shit unit (maybe because of my civ pool), the civ in general is super easy to scout and has no incredible option except mass and wait for your opponent to make a z move without looking at anything but i think on the water china has some amazing option

Fre: all civs do better than fre, whether it's semi ff, age 2 play, FI, water, age 3 play, boom tp etc, the cuirs are nerfed, tbh there is nothing that scares me when my opponent play fre, yes of course its still a good civ but the other civs are just better overall (even if fre remains strong against russian aztec ports for example) that's why they are so low for me
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Totally agree with you about France. If it's not kaiser then it's a free win :D
I'd rate China higher though.
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China is as always one of the top civs.
I dont think there has ever been a patch since the release of TAD where China was outside the top6.
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russia seems indeed a bit stronger since the vill production buff but idk if it's really a tier A civ, also Aztec A tier is too high no ? everyone says aztec is underrated that it seems a bit overrated now^^
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It's hard to tell which tier for newly changed civs since none really playtesting at high level
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harcha wrote:afaik breeze is the highest player who has knowledge across all civs, both land and the seas. @turnuva
Thanks for your compliment :love:

Here are my tier list and thoughts about the current balance stage of the game and some potential suggestions
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S tier civs need some sort of nerf. I think Brits are the strongest civ right now followed up by USA and Inca, these 3 civs would require some sort of tweak I feel like, for Spain and Germany, they are surely good but they also got some disadvantageous MUs, I'd say nerfing spanish gold by -10 coin and removing the 2 uhlans coming with 3 sw shipment to 1 would probably be fair enough.

A tier civs mostly don't need a change imo, eventhough I would be happy to see japan getting an actual rework where they are faster early game but having limited outscaling chance in mid late game, also ashi speed should be reduced to 4.25 at least for age2 since it's not possible to prevent early ashi flanking for some civs.

B tier civs somewhat need a buff except current Aztecs I'd say, Lakota needs a rework where their raid abilities are becoming limited while adding some other options to make it useful late game, because it's currently an all in timing civ which I don't think a great thing for design purpose of a civ. Otto are probably high A tier on high ATP maps and S tier on maps like Central Plains, I think their 3 villager shipment could be changed to cost 100 food for 4 villagers so that they wouldn't be a very fast civ meanwhile having more economic options to keep up in the game. Also mosque techs could be improved further imo. Russia and Sweden clearly needs buffs but it's really hard to buff them without making them broken so that it's a risky take, Probably adding +50 food crates for Russia and give oppurtunity to sweden to deal with war wagon/howdah spam, Jaegers are sorta expensive maybe Sweden could get a special jaeger which has reduced stats but cheaper so that they can deal with those stuffs. Ah also early fusilier raids are broken by sweden which should be balanced at least for age 2 I think.

C tier civs clearly needs buff, but I also want to indicate that ports are High A tier civ on water maps and S tier civ on maps with sheep + island spawn since it gives a very different tempo advantage which makes ports age up 20-30 sec faster than usual and claim control of water earlier. Especially with the nerf to CM, ports are struggling much more against artillery spam since Organs are weaker than falconets against anything but equal against infrantry, I think giving 50 food crates back and buffing Organs would be a right direction in order to make ports playable on standard gameplay again as it is borderline unplayable civ right now. Ethiopia and Hausa needs some actual buffs that most players can agree on aswell I think, Removal of 3 vills for hausa was very significant nerf and Ethiopia feels worse than any other civ overall right now. Let's hope we will get a fix to those!
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turnuva wrote:
harcha wrote:afaik breeze is the highest player who has knowledge across all civs, both land and the seas. @turnuva
Thanks for your compliment :love:

Here are my tier list and thoughts about the current balance stage of the game and some potential suggestions
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S tier civs need some sort of nerf. I think Brits are the strongest civ right now followed up by USA and Inca, these 3 civs would require some sort of tweak I feel like, for Spain and Germany, they are surely good but they also got some disadvantageous MUs, I'd say nerfing spanish gold by -10 coin and removing the 2 uhlans coming with 3 sw shipment to 1 would probably be fair enough.

A tier civs mostly don't need a change imo, eventhough I would be happy to see japan getting an actual rework where they are faster early game but having limited outscaling chance in mid late game, also ashi speed should be reduced to 4.25 at least for age2 since it's not possible to prevent early ashi flanking for some civs.

B tier civs somewhat need a buff except current Aztecs I'd say, Lakota needs a rework where their raid abilities are becoming limited while adding some other options to make it useful late game, because it's currently an all in timing civ which I don't think a great thing for design purpose of a civ. Otto are probably high A tier on high ATP maps and S tier on maps like Central Plains, I think their 3 villager shipment could be changed to cost 100 food for 4 villagers so that they wouldn't be a very fast civ meanwhile having more economic options to keep up in the game. Also mosque techs could be improved further imo. Russia and Sweden clearly needs buffs but it's really hard to buff them without making them broken so that it's a risky take, Probably adding +50 food crates for Russia and give oppurtunity to sweden to deal with war wagon/howdah spam, Jaegers are sorta expensive maybe Sweden could get a special jaeger which has reduced stats but cheaper so that they can deal with those stuffs. Ah also early fusilier raids are broken by sweden which should be balanced at least for age 2 I think.

C tier civs clearly needs buff, but I also want to indicate that ports are High A tier civ on water maps and S tier civ on maps with sheep + island spawn since it gives a very different tempo advantage which makes ports age up 20-30 sec faster than usual and claim control of water earlier. Especially with the nerf to CM, ports are struggling much more against artillery spam since Organs are weaker than falconets against anything but equal against infrantry, I think giving 50 food crates back and buffing Organs would be a right direction in order to make ports playable on standard gameplay again as it is borderline unplayable civ right now. Ethiopia and Hausa needs some actual buffs that most players can agree on aswell I think, Removal of 3 vills for hausa was very significant nerf and Ethiopia feels worse than any other civ overall right now. Let's hope we will get a fix to those!

very interesting post thxs, i would put germany and spain tier A i think they more or less fine, completelly agree with japan the outscaling is just so annoying

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