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Brits don't shit on Spain imo, but Spain is nowhere near a counter to Brits nor will be a big deal because of some unrelated changes.
Unrelated change? for starters the nerfs are subject to change, but if you nerf brits age up time/tempo and eco how on earth can you class this as unrelated?
Small changes add up, giving Spain even 10 /15 seconds free time is enough to sway a game.
How is it related to Spain specifically lol? It's just a small Brit change that affects every single MU. And Spain is not even that great so idk what's all the fuss is
^^^ Totally agree.
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Yes, Spain will still get crushed by Brits almost every time, there's nothing Spain can do against Brits doing a 50+ musk timing attack (while booming) at 8 minutes.
Spain also has a terrible MU vs Lakota. Spain almost literally gets pooped on every time.
Even against India is a bad MU (especially on no TP)...
Indeed, the Dutch/Spain MU is heavily Spain favored but nowhere near as lopsided as Brits/Spain.
I definitely agree with Garja that people overrate Spain big time....
I will mostly speak about spain and surely is it impossible to make the game balanced in every matchup .
Overall, mixing tp maps and no tp maps in the map pool is bad imo. Why on earth do they persist with all these new no tp maps. I am quite sure that there is a relentless genius behind this.
A smart move woud have been to put a lot of treasures on no tp maps to allow civs who rely a lot on tps to have a chance and collect some good treasures (especially spain oc but also iro, otto in a lesser extend).
Or another smart move would have been to set good water and good fishing on no tp map to allow some booming options for some other civs ( port, maybe some others civs )
==> the sad thing about booming on water is that we ofen need a tp to perform it..
But ironically, the current "no tp maps" have always/almost no treasures and no interesting water fishing.
about spain :
Against some civs who are not map dependant and very mousket oriented , spain can insta resign on no tp maps. ( britt, indians, japanese...maybe some africans civs also)
===> of course even with tp, these matchups are very very difficult for spain.
Imo, The only civ who struggle really against spain is russian.
No TP maps are totally fine. Not only there are nat posts and church to get an xp trickle but most civs can play age2 competitively on DE because of all the different buffs they got.
of topic but what about USA,suedens, inca, mexico, and the 2 news africans civs. Are these civs map dependant ?
Honestly I didn't play US and Inca too much, but Swedes actually loves non TP maps, because you spend all your wood on torps and never claim TPs anyway, and non TP maps saves you the aggravation of dealing with stagecoach.
Mexico do good on every type of map as they have good crate start (400 food, 200 wood, 100 gold), so you can take a TP if available or just open market if there are none. They also have good water cards.
Also Mexico have a unique church (Cathedral) with a lot of techs. I guess we could try to figure some non TP build using those.